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LBHF Archives contains a wealth of local material from newspapers, school and church records and directories to electoral rolls, rate books and drainage plans. They have recently started a blog from material in the archive.
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I’m trying to find information in regard to a Norma Coleman who worked in Hammersmith as a secretary around 1967. Very vague, I know, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
Dear Sir/Madam,
Have you got any photograph of William Parnell
House Bagleys Lane SW6.
I Lived at no 89 in the 70s with my parents and wanted to have something to look back on.
Kind Regards
You should email archives@lbhf.gov.uk as they have an extensive collection of photos of the borough.
There will be a small charge and they could email or send hard copy if you explain exactly what you want.
Hello
I was wondering how old Pankhurst house on du cane road is w12 0un?
Many thanks
Diaco
I’m researching Fulham Brass Band’s history in preparation for our 125th anniversary next year and am looking for more details about the original band in 1895. We’re led to believe the original band were bricklayers and I’d love to know more about them – unfortunately the local press at the time has limited info on the occupations of members.
Im also trying to track down Anita Brewer who was our first female member in 1958. She was 24 at the time and lived in West Norwood and we’d love to make contact again ignore possible.
If anyone has any information on the history of the band in general that would be great.
Thanks
Dear FHHS
The late sixties photographer, Terence Donovan, had a shop called the Merchant Chandler on the New Kings Road. I am trying to find out which door number it was.
Yours sincerely
Lisa Wood
Post Office Kellys London should have a listing for the Merchant Chandler. I think it was round about number 72 New Kings Road. Old voting lists will have the residents names if Terence lived above the shop . The present No 72 has a wire frame work in front of the windows on the upper floor, this may have bee where the MC hung its baskets from
I wonder if anyone has any information regarding my late Fathers uncle, the Hammersmith born wrestler, Chick ‘Cocky’ Knight, born Arthur Richard George Knight of 10 Southerton Road, London, W6, on 17 February 1903.
It has come to light in research that I am doing for a book on his life (Chick was a bit of a local celebrity) that he rescued 2 people from the Thames off Barnes on afternoon of 15th June 1930 by jumping into the water and pulling them out one at a time.
We have a certificate verifying this incident from the Humane Society and wondered if anyone has any more information/press cutting etc. I have also been in touch with the Mayor and Town Hall.
Hi
Does anyone know about the Lambert family or Lowe who lived in Hammersmith maybe south street in the 1900 -1950 Thank you
I’m researching the architect Randall Wells who lived at 52 Upper Mall between 1927 and 1942. Also his daughter known as Rosebud or Crystal (1917-1941). She had married Hamilton Johnston (b.1915) who lived on the barge Nell Gwynn moored at Hammersmith, but she was killed in a train accident at Brentwood Essex a few weeks later. He may have lived on the barge into the mid 1950s. Please does anyone have any leads or information on any of them? Many thanks.
HI, Ive recently obtained the title register for 37 Epirus Road, Fulham, where my great grandmother lived with her family for more than ten years. Ive always been puzzled as to how they were able to live there as mother was single parent throughout, no father named on any childrens births, mother gives ‘own means or no occupation’ on all documents and they also change there name at one point. Something is amiss I feel? But anyway, my query relates to a covenant that appears in the sale of the property when my family sell it in 1904. It says ‘ the purchaser will not carry on upon the premises the trade of beer seller, innkeeper or retailer of wines and spirits’. Would this be a normal covenant for that time period or does this suggest that the premises had been used for the sale of alcohol previously?
Any ideas and thoughts welcome
Many thanks Nicki
Hi
With regard to the covenant about beer wines and spirits this is quite common in Victorian deeds, we have had the same in an East London property and in other towns in England. It probably relates to the general crackdown on boozing at that time.
Hi
Looking for any history regarding current Abingdon Road number 3, previous Newland Road, Kensington, W8
This is very definitely in Kensington and Chelsea. Suggest you contact LBKC via
https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/libraries/local-studies-and-archives/local-studies-and-archives.
Good luck
Hi
Looking for any information and/or pictures of Alfred and Elizabeth Jones (also had a son called Alfred) who lived at Greyhound Road Fulham. I believe their Pawnbrokers business was at the same address.
This would have live here between 1890 – 1920’s. Elizabeth dying in 1927 husband and son dying some 10 years earlier.
Any help would be appreciated.
I wonder if any of your members can help, on the marriage certificate for William Ernest Brockway (1913 in Fulham) he resides at Rowton House, Hammersmith and he gives his occupation as an interpreter. Whilst I know Rowton house was at this time a workhouse I presume William was working (and living) there. does anyone have any further information.
Looking for relatives of Martin family who lived at various times(census) at 16, 23 and 31 Sandilands rd, Fulham.
Does anyone remember the off licence in Overstone Road Hammermiyh London W6?
Or do you remember the Stockly family from Hammersmith?
Correction for spelling
STOCKLEY
My ancestors (Boosey) are shown in the 1861 Census as living at No. 11 Back (sic) Gardens (Shepherds Bush) in the district of St Paul’s Hammersmith. I can’t trace this place and in the vicinity are Alfred Row, Wellington Place, Frog Island and a coal wharf as well as the Mail Coach (I presume not the one at 28 Uxbridge Road which was built in 1932). I wonder if these places are off the old Hammersmith Creek now under Furnival Gardens. But this was said to go north as far as King Street whereas Shepherd’s Bush is further north(?). I can’t find any detailed maps of this area. My ancestor was William Boosey, a BRICK LABOURER, and I note a few brickfields on the maps I do have. (The Booseys came up from the Medway where they worked in brick, cement, mud, etc.). I was actually born in Hammersmith Hospital and spent my childhood in Harlesden so we stayed in the same area.
Do anyone remember a shop called the Merchant Chandler, on New King’s Road, near Parsons Green? About early 1970s. It was a hardware shop. I remember it put buckets and baskets in the pavement. Any pics? Thank You.
Hi, my parents owned s. Holland and sons greengrocers on greyhound road and my grandparents before that, name of divine and I wondered if you had any information or photos that could help my research.
Hi, I have recently been talking to my mother about her early days in Hammersmith, she has been telling me how she was evacuated during WW2 to somewhere in Hampshire. She went to Brackenbury Road school and I believe that the children were evacuated by school. I would like to find out more for her as a little walk down memory lane. Is there a national index that I could search?
Regards
Kevin
My father went to Brackenbury Road school but was older than your mother. He was born in 1916. I have written his biography. I have a photo of the school. If you’d like a copy send me your email as I don’t think I can put photos on this page.
Stephen, just seen your note re Brackenbury . My mother was born in 1912 and went to that school. If you can email me a copy photo of the school that would be great. I have been trying to see if the school logbooks and attendence registers for the period 1917-1927 were known to be about somewhere and also leaving certificates.
Thanks
Brian
Have put both parties in touch
National archive has records of Brackenbury school. Check website.
Finding records from the Second World War is complicated because no central government files were kept (no official records were created during the First World War as evacuations were arranged individually by families).
Evacuation plans had been prepared well before the outbreak of the Second World War, and an evacuation policy was soon established by the government. Small scale evacuations of women and children took place at the height of the Munich Crisis in September 1938, but the major evacuation began in September 1939.
The government had planned to evacuate about 3,500,000 people but in fact only 1,500,000 made use of the official scheme. Almost all had been evacuated to the reception areas by the evening of 3 September, a few hours after the official declaration of war.
It may help you with your research if you can find out:
the name of the evacuee’s school
where they were evacuated from and to (see the Appendix at the foot of this guide for a list of evacuation areas)
when they were evacuated
Online records
Search the 1939 Register for England and Wales at Findmypast.co.uk (£) for evacuees and their helpers – search for ‘evacuee’ in the Occupation field. The mass evacuation of children and other vulnerable people took place in early September 1939, before National Registration on 29 September that year. As a result, many evacuees appear in the register.
Individual records will only be open if the person is now deceased, but if the evacuee is still alive they can request a transcript of their own record. See our research guide on the 1939 Register for more information.
There are no lists or registers of evacuees available online.
This is from the National archives website.
My mother was evacuated first to Newbury in Hampshire, before being transferred to Pntypridd in Wales. She and her sister were both evacuated to Newbury, but only my mother was evacuated to Wales, presumably leaving her sister behind at the house in Newbury. They lived in Western Avenue, not far from White City so they would not have gone to Brackenbury Road school.
John Turner says:
14 August, 2019 at 4:54 pm
Hello there,
Many thanks for your help in researching the lady who died at parsons Green Station I will do as you suggest regarding access to the newspaper articles.
I’m trying to find out why she was travelling from her home in Newport, Monmouthshire, with her 12 year old daughter when this happened.
I’ve found that her dead husband’s brother, Jabez Wallis, was a metropolitan police constable living in St Marylebone (from 1911 census age 37), I can’t be sure of his full address.
The police records shows he left the police force age 46,.
“Jabez Wallis, warrant number 80242. Joined on 11 Feb 1895, and left on 8 March 1920. Last posted to T Division as a PC”.
Can you suggest any way of finding out what happened to him after leaving the police force and the tragic event of his sister in law dying at Parsons Green Station?
He died in 1941 in Tonbridge, Kent aged 67.
Again thank you, your help is very much appreciated.
I’m trying trace my great grandparents, john henry Smith married to katie smith, children lillian and charles. Last known address 7 Dalling road in the 1911 cencus. Lillian later married into the Hand family, I cant find anything about her.
was it No 7 Darlan Road Fulham. One side of this road was demolished between 1950’s? to build Lancaster Court. My Nan DaisyTyson neé Harnetty lived on this side and was move into a flat in Darlan Road.
I am looking for help with a place name rather than a specific person. The wife of my 2nd great-uncle is listed as enrolling in Saunders Road School in 1885. Not transcribed in the Ancestry record but found in the image of the handwritten register her and her sister’s home address was Henry Place, Hammersmith.
https://www.maps.thehunthouse.com/Streets/Old_to_New_Abolished_London_Street_Names.htm#H shows that Henry Place was renamed Boxmoor Street before 1912.
All searches for Boxmoor Street, Hammersmith fail to find any records of the place.
Also was known as Beaumont Street W11, so on the borders by North Kensington
A single index reference (via FamilySearch.org) for Agnes Newland in the 1881 England & Wales Census: Fulham, London, Middlesex, England, lists her age as 2 years, with the Residence Note: Coomer Rd. Her relationship to the head of household is daughter, but no parent is listed! Do you know what facilities were located on this road at that time that would be housing/caring for a child?
Thank you. -Ron Newland
Hello Ron
1881 Census
Agnes Kate Newland born 1878 Fulham living with parents Charles and Kate and sister Elizabeth.
Need to use Ancestry either by subscription or use at library.
Agnes is also found in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses.
Can you tell me the name of the family who lived at 5 Southcombe Street, Fulham in 1912 please?
Chris, I believe Southcombe Street may have been known as Devonshire Street at the time of the 1911 Census and at that time, living at number 5 were three families – Stevens, Watson and Rollings.
Chris, I imagine you’re interested in the Watson family members and they were John, his wife Joana , 2 daughters – Winifred and Ellen and a son – David.
I’m interested in speaking to an expert in the history of White City. Is anyone able to help me with this?
regards
Daniel Thornton
You need to try to contact Donald Knight who wrote a book on the White City and is an expert on the subject.
Our Chairman will also be in touch.
I am intetested on information pertaining to a business which produced copper engraving plates which were manufactured by Hughes at 8 Peterborough Ct. Fleet Street London. I am in possession of an engraved currency plate with 4 individual denominations that were engraved for the Lewiston Bank of Pennsylvania USA. The reverse side of the plate is stamped with the Hughes name and address. I have backtracked the production date of the blank plate from between 1825-1838 as it appears that is when the Richard Hughes entity resided at the 8 Peterborough Ct. Fleet St. address in London. Thanks for any information you might be able to provide about this entity.
What if any is the connection with Hammersmith and Fulham? Suggest you contact City if London Libraries
My MD order of the building number 63 67 and 65 I would like to have information About the right of way from the time the building was the building was built if there’s any information about regarding this and other issues on this rebuilding please let me know thank you very much for your information
I am sorry but you haven’t given enough information for anyone to understand your question. However if it concerns rights of way, even historic, you should write to LBHF or ring their planning department on 020 8753 1081
Good luck.
Am looking for info on Ivy Elizabeth Martin, born 1909 in Bristol to Albert Edward Martin and Ellen Abbott Martin. He was in the Royal Navy and his parents lived in Fulham.His father was Phillip Martin, a commissionaire.Albert served in both wars, service number 223669 and received a DSM.The family lived at 23 and 31 Sandilands rd at different times,Ivy was in Bristol in 1911 census then ? what happened as my grandmother went on to live in Wales and had first of another 7 children.No one knows any thing about Ivy.Did find prison entry for her in 1932 ,Holloway for 6/12 for larceny.Also mentioned in Western daily press in 1928.Her address was stated as 16 Sandilands rd, Fulham – same rd as her fathers parents.It has been suggested that on 1939 register she was living as Ivy Turner in Gunerstone rd Fulham with Leonard Turner and working as a waitress.. Any help gratefully received so we can solve this family mystery.
Still hoping for some help in pointing me in the right direction.
Hello Elizabeth
Is your grandmother Ivy Elizabeth Martin?
Ivy Elizabeth Martin
Born 1910 Jan-Feb-Mar Bristol
Do you know Ivy’s birthday, do you have her birth certificate?
Western Daily Press 1928 what is the story, Ivy would be 18
Holloway Prison 1932
Marriage? Do you have certificate?
Death? Do you have certificate?
Ivy Children
Do you have full names, birth dates, birth places, father’s name(s) there may be baptisms with more information, do you have their birth certificates, what is the information on the birth certificates?
When did Ivy’s parents and grandparents die, there are several possibilities in the Fulham and Bristol areas, you would need to order the certificates to know if they are correct certificates as ‘best guesses’, did they die when Ivy was quite young and she either went into a children’s home or they died when she was a young woman?
Where are children in the 1939 national register?
Ivy Parents
Albert Edward Martin and Ellen Abbot Payne marry in 1909 Bristol
Albert Edward Martin, found in 1911 census on boat Sapphire in Devon as seaman, looks like died Bristol 1945, can you use Albert’s maritime records to see if he was posted to Wales?
Ellen/Nellie Martin, found in 1911 census in Bristol as Nellie with Ivy, Nellie being the Irish nickname for Ellen, when did Ellen/Nellie die?
Ivy Paternal Grandparents
Phillip Martin, commissionaire, looks like died 1930 Fulham
Elizabeth Martin, looks like died 1935 Fulham
Living in Fulham 1911
Ivy Maternal Grandparents
James John Payne, seaman, death date unknown but wife is a widow by 1901
Emily Mary Payne, 1901 census Emily is a widow living in Bristol, looks like died in 1905 Bristol
Ivy Elizabeth Turner in the 1939 national register was born 13 December 1909 so may not be her, do you know Ivy’s birthday? Could be using a false birthday or mistakes were made with birthdays.
Where are her children? Can you find her children in the 1939 national register?
As not limited just to Fulham, the WDYTYA forum could also help
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/forum/
Hello Elizabeth
On reflection, there are 42 days to register a birth, so Ivy Elizabeth Turner could be her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Register_Office_for_England_and_Wales
Do you know anymore about Leonard H Turner?
Thank you so much.
Ivy is not my grandmother, that is Ellen Abbott Hopkins(Payne then Martin). Ivy would have been a half aunt. Ivy was born on 13/12/1909 in Bristol, I have the birth certificate.After 1911 census can find nothing connecting her to my Grandmother Nellie(Ellen).I would like to know what happened to her after that,Nellie went to live in Maesteg,S.Wales with my Grandfather Thomas Hopkins and they had the 1st of 7 children in 1916. My mother was the youngest born in 1931..Nellie eventually married my grandfather in 1946 in Bristol (they were living in Wales at the time) He died in 1948.Everyone assumed that they were married in about 1915.It wasn’t until I started researching the family tree that this secret came out Nobody knew about Ivy or the previous marriage.
I have no marriage or death cert for Albert or Ivy and don’t know dates of either.Western Daily Press in1928 said that the arresting policeman had known Ivy since she was a child and would come to a bad end.She was in Fulham at the time. I have no knowledge of any children Her parents were Albert Edward Martin,26/1/1886 and Ellen Abbott Payne 2/6/1886. I have copy of cert..
On 1939 register Ivy Elizabeth Turner has correct DOB -13/12/09. Can’t find any trace of marriage though..Where did you find Albert’s death?
As you suggested I will contact website.Would really lke to know if she had any children and what happened to her after 1911 as I can’t imagine my grandmother abandoning her child
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Help please.
I am trying to find if there is any surviving information in local newspapers about the inquest into the death on a train, from Newport in Wales to London, of my wife’s grandmother. We have the following on the death certificate:
Inquest for: Ellen Mary Wallis
Age at death: 54
Date of inquest: 23 August 1926
Date of death: 19 August 1926
Place of death: Parsons Green Railway station
Living at time of death: 39, Capel Street, Newport, Monmouthshire
Informant: Dr. W B Purchase, Deputy Coroner for London, inquest held 23 August 1926
Any help would be appreciated
Thankyou
John Turner
West London Observer for the 27th of August 1926 has a brief account of the incident saying that the lady who was married to a diver was helped off the train at Parsons Green but died before help could be given
Brilliant! Thank you so much.
Is there any way I can get a copy of this?
thank you
John
This article and there may be more items,like a death notice etc In other local newspapers, I have not checked further . They will be available online to print off from the British library newspaper archives . it is worth purchasing a one month subscription to be able to print off and download the item and seeing what else you can find yourself. An unlimited one months sub only costs £12.95.It’s amazing what you can find. Try a simple search before subscribing I think you will be able to
Hello there,
Many thanks for your help in researching the lady who died at parsons Green Station I will do as you suggest regarding access to the newspaper articles.
I’m trying to find out why she was travelling from her home in Newport, Monmouthshire, with her 12 year old daughter when this happened.
I’ve found that her dead husband’s brother, Jabez Wallis, was a metropolitan police constable living in St Marylebone (from 1911 census age 37), I can’t be sure of his full address.
The police records shows he left the police force age 46,.
“Jabez Wallis, warrant number 80242. Joined on 11 Feb 1895, and left on 8 March 1920. Last posted to T Division as a PC”.
Can you suggest any way of finding out what happened to him after leaving the police force and the tragic event of his sister in law dying at Parsons Green Station?
He died in 1941 in Tonbridge, Kent aged 67.
Again thank you, your help is very much appreciated.
In the 1911 Census my great grandfather William Masson was a Landscape Gardener living in Parsons Green Lane Fulham with his family. He was born in Anchterliss, Aberdeenshire in 1855. I hope that you may have a record of where he worked, presumably locally and any other information about him. I live in Melbourne Australia and would be very grateful for your help
Hi
We have no records but the following may help.
Free BMD shows that a William Masson of the right age died in Wandsworth in 1938. This is the next borough south of the Thames. BMD gives the quarter of the year so you could look further in Ancestry to get a date.
If you get a date of death you could search local newspapers online for an obituary.
The next port of call would be an email to our local archives on the offchance there is a record of landscape gardners in Kellys Directory for the prewar period.
Good luck
We have an early gardener in James Lee, who had the Vineyard Nursery in Hammersmith; he died in 1795, but West London Nursery Gardens says that he had a friend in Francis Masson, the first collector sent out by Kew. a portrait of Lee by George Garrard and also Masson were owned by the Lee famiily. the second James Lee was 41 when his father died, and he wrote a letter to Sir James Edward Smith recalling the death of Francis Masson in Canada sent here again by Kew to collect plants, having spent some 25 years in a hot climate for them for a pittance. Masson also gave Lee contacts in South Africa. Could this person have been an earlier relative of yours?
Hi, I have been researching some family history for a friend of mine. His only history of his father in WW2 was that he was in the Auxiliary Fire service.
I have seen the 1939 England and Wales Register on Ancestry that show “Lane, Stanley W.” working as a clerk and listed with 25 other men at Townmead School. All in the AFS. Would they all be living there ? of is it just their “work” address. Also in the end column it has A.F.S.B.302. do you know what that means. Do you know what they refer to, and are there any accessible records of AFC members?
I would be interested to know anything about the Townmear Road School AFC or concerning Mr Lane in WW2.
Than you
Chris Hardy
I believe tha local Archives may have some records but how much detail I am unsure.
Please email archives@lbhf.gov.uk . Perhaps some of our followers have relatives who were in the unit and may know more.
Good luck
Hello, searching for information about my great grandmother who I believe was at the Convent of the Good Shepherd in Hammersmith as recorded in the 1881 census.Name of Anne or Annie Moroney, b. 1864 or 1865 in Limerick. Age 17 in 1881 census. How might I find more information about this? How she was sent there, when she was able to leave, etc? Thank you. Darla Farmer
Hi
I am researching the Irish photographer WD Hogan. I believe he moved to London and ran a photography business called London Daily Wedding Photo Service from Fulham Palace Road, London. Any information you may have would be greatly appreciated.
Hello, I was wondering if anyone would know if there are any old pictures/photographs of Archer Buildings, which were in Havelock Road, Hammersmith. Havelock Road is now Irving Road and I believe the building known as Grosvenor Court now stands on the site of Archer Buildings. Many thank, Christine
I have forwarded this enquiry to LBHF archivist who will be in touch if they have anything useful.
Hello
Not sure if you can help but my grandad and his brothers owned Simmons waste rubber yard on Chiswick high road, I was just wondering if you had any information on this, or could find out any about it. I know it’s not in Hammersmith but it’s not far and wasn’t sure if your team would know about it
Thanks
James
I am trying to locate Paradise Cottages, Hammersmith, almost certainly in Paradise Row, Hammersmith. Also Paradise Place. All in the 1870s. It is possible that there has been a series of name changes or redevelopment. Any help appreciated.
Paradise row was to be found at the west end of Glenthorne road,running east west it ran behind the Ravenscourt Park underground station connecting to Ravenscourt road. There is a school on the site now.
This map may help.MAP
John
Thank you very much indeed. Most helpful.
“ 20th Century Lives – Gladys and Len Lally, 1914 – 1998 ”
After 6 years, with help from several FHHS members, I have finished the biography of my parents who were brought up in Hammersmith before the war; Carthew Road and St Peter’s Grove. I have had 30 copies printed and one is in the LBHF Archives should anybody want to have a look.
The book describes their Hammersmith lives in some detail from their births in 1914 and 1916 until 1944 when my father was in the army and mother moved out to Eastcote. They went to school at Brackenbury Road, Wesken Central and St Peter’s. Their main churches were the South Street Mission and Albion Chapel. The book describes their home lives, leisure, holidays, careers and the war in Hammersmith.
The book is in a large hardback format with 400 pages and over 300 illustrations. It describes the lives of two Hammersmith people for 30 years. From humble beginnings they went on to achieve great things. If you’re in Hammersmith Library or Archives, do ask to see it.
Hello. I’m trying to trace records for Robert John Fryer, born July 28, 1947 to John
Henry Fryer and Lily Rosemary Weston who lived at 26 Ifield Road, SW10. I believe he died in the Chelsea area in the 1960s but I can’t find a death record. I was told he was found dead outside Chelsea football ground. Any help would be much appreciated!
Hello Sarah
1947 birth registration comes up
1966 marriage to Linda Kartrieber
1966-69/up to 2005 death nothing, very odd, ask the cemetery office, ask the football ground, nothing in the papers
Hi,
I wonder if you could help me trace any information regarding my gt,gt aunt. Her name was Rebecca Bustard (born 1879). She also went by the name of Rissie. She married an Austrian man named Jean Muller.I believe he was a hairdresser. She moved between Paris,London and Glasgow.They were married at the registers office in Fulham on 19th Oct 1907 and their address at the time was 23 Raleigh Road. The witnesses on their wedding certificate were Llew. Prichard and A.G Tiley.
She mentions in a Glasgow poor house document that she “worked as a sewing maid with Surollis or Surollio(?) in Good Street,London.” Do you know what this work place could be?
I’d really appreciate any help with this.
Thanks so much!
Lynne Bustard.
Could be Goodge Street. In Scotland they may have recorded it as Good Street. GOODGE
Thanks for this information! I’ll do some searching for Goodge St.
Lynne. 😀
Hello Lynne
The only information have been able to find is:
1901 WORKHOUSE
Name: Lilli Surelio born 1860
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Admission Date: 11 Jan 1901
Admission Place: Holborn
Discharge Date: 12 Jan 1901
Discharge Place: Holborn
Name: Lillie Surelie born 1859
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Admission Date: 12 Jan 1901
Admission Place: Holborn
Discharge Date: 21 Jan 1901
Discharge Place: Holborn
LADY’S MAID
Includes sewing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady%27s_maid
1907 MARRIAGE
Fulham marriage
Was anyone else living with Jean and Rissie at Rayleigh Road
1910 WORKHOUSE
Name: Henry Surillo born 1857
Record Type: Discharge
Discharge Date: 11 Mar 1910
Discharge Place: Westminster
1915 WORKHOUSE
Name: Rissie Muller born 1880
Record Type: Discharged To Infirmary
Discharge Date: 18 Feb 1915
Discharge Place: Kensington and Chelsea
Thanks so much for this information Lorraine! It’s really helpful. I always presumed Surollio was a place rather than an employers name but that totally makes sense. I don’t know if anyone else was living with them at Raleigh Road.
Thanks again!
Lynne. 😀
Pleasure Lynne
…and guess what, just realised Goodge Street is also in Holborn, Westminster area (same as workhouse records)
Goodge Street
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Goodge+St,+Fitzrovia,+London/@51.5195862,-0.1373853,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x48761b2bf7599739:0x95d153cfb299c76f!8m2!3d51.5195829!4d-0.1351966
Tried finding Henry and Lili in other documents but no joy, so this forum could help you next
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/forum/
Hello Lynne
Lilli is not a woman but a man Gilli Surelis with further workhouse records that match ‘Lilli’s’
So was Rissie working as a sewing maid for a tailors in Goodge Street, what date would that be, what is the date/details of the Glasgow workhouse document. If you have a date could then try to find them in the Trade Directories. Such unusual names, not coming up on any other documents, aaaggghhh!
https://www.british-genealogy.com/threads/93629-SEWING-EMPLOYER-GOODGE-STREET-LONDON?p=672411#post672411
Hi Kim, Since i first posted that query I have found out quite a lot and traced a few relatives. My dad lived at 100 Rayleigh road, now Lakeside road until about 1930 when his mum an 3 siblings moved to Surrey leaving him behind in a home.I still haven’t found out why. Who was your grandfather?. There was George,James,Edward, Ernest, Arthur and 2 half brothers born in Surrey Peter and Walter.
Hello Kay
My great-grandmother had 7 children: 2 were already grown up, 2 old enough to stay at home with dad, 2 not old enough to stay at home with dad, 1 toddler who went with mum when she left home
The two adult siblings tried taking in the two younger boys but couldn’t because of affecting their work, like it affected their dad’s work, so they were put into care, they came home when they were older but were very badly affected by the experience their whole lives, low self-esteem, although they said they had enough food, clothes, beds and schooling while there
Do you know which home to contact where your dad stayed to ask the reason why he alone was left there
The Sisters Of Nazareth nuns in the Brecons were kind, as the Hammersmith nuns must have been, terrible reports at other orphanages
http://www.formerchildrenshomes.org.uk/nazareth_house.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisters_of_Nazareth
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/12/religion.childprotection
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/HammersmithNH/
Hi Kim, Since i first posted that query I have found out quite a lot and traced a few relatives. My dad lived at 100 Rayleigh road, now Lakeside road until about 1930 when his mum an 3 siblings moved to Surrey leaving him behind in a home.I still haven’t found out why. Who was your grandfather?. There was George,James,Edward, Ernest, Arthur and 2 half brothers born in Surrey Peter and Walter.
Hello Kay
Are you able to find the children’s home where your father was placed to find out why he alone was left behind.
hello Lorraine, I have only checked with Barnardos so far and they have no records. The relatives I have found have no knowledge of this other than the fact thatpart of the family lived in Surrey and the others in Shepherds Bush.I shall look into the links sent. Thank you
I am hoping someone may be able to help with some advice regarding the St James’ Diocesan Home, 484 Fulham Palace Road, Fulham SW6 ?
I am researching a woman who was there in 1881 (from the census) but can find no other records. I note that there are no children listed on the census yet many of the women may have been pregnant as was the case with the person I am researching.
I can find no record of a birth registration at the GRO or even a baptism. Where would any children have been born and or baptised?
The person I am researching in later censuses has her birth place as Queen Charlottes Hospital (near Euston at the time) which seems quite a distance from the home. Is this likely to be the case?
Many thanks
John Jay
Hello John
Magdalen Homes
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/list/MH7.shtml
Are you able to give the full names and birth dates of who you are researching to be able to help further
Hi Dieppe Street was demolished in the 1950s
It is a housing estate now in North End Rd W14
I am still trying to find information about the following school shown on the 1841 census. 1841 • School, St. Peter’s Square.Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
The school does not appear to have a name. it is headed by Maria and Susan ANDREWS, schoolmistresses and Maria CAPREN, governess. There are 11 pupils aged between 8 and 15 and two servants. My 3rd Great Aunt, Mary Ann Douglass aged 8 is there in 1841 census. What sort of school was it?
Hello Jennifer
1841 CENSUS
St Peter’s Square
Girls school
Maria CAPREN, governess
Research background of girls studying/boarding there
1851 CENSUS
http://www.clairegrey.co.uk/hogg_dearie_children/eliz_hogg/agnes_rough/agnes_hogg.html
36 St Peter’s Square
Girl’s School
Agnes Laurie Rough nee Hogg schoolmistress
Research background of girls studying/boarding there
1871 CENSUS
Miss Alice Fairman
18 St Peter’s Square
Mother Harriet Fairman involved in education
1881 CENSUS
1884 WEST LONDON OBSERVER
Miss Alice Fairman
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000437/18840112/009/0001
36 St Peter’s Square
Professional Vocalist
1891 WEST LONDON OBSERVER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000437/18910117/026/0002
36 St Peter’s Square
Girl’s School
Misses Barrett
Thank you for the above information.Mary Douglass was from Bethnal Green and her father was a silk weaver so it is a mystery to how she came to be at the school in 1841
I believe evacuation of children during WWII was by school. I would like to know where Coverdale Road School and Godolphin & Latimer School were evacuated to. Are there any online records by name of evacuees?
My cousin was at Godolphin & Latymer and refused to go when the school was evacuated. She stayed at home and gave up her education which she regretted greatly in later life. She could have helped you but died only a few weeks ago. But her daughter has done a bit of research and says they went to Windsor and then Newbury. There is an active Old Dolphins Association with extensive archives and I’m sure they would be pleased to help with more detail. https://www.godolphinandlatymer.com/development/old-dolphins
This is helpful information. Thank you for taking time to respond. It’s much appreciated.
I have an obituary that gives more details. I can’t attach it so if you give me your email I’ll send it to you. Send it to ‘ stephen at lally dot org dot uk ‘
Hello Kay Arnold
Please contact local archives
Please contact national archives
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/evacuees/
Please contact the school directly just celebrated 100 years history
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/articles/news/2016/07/school-celebrates-100-years-learning-victorian-themed-fair
I am trying to find any information about my grandmother ‘Alice Rose Green’ (or Rose Alice Green), born February 1907 in Fulham.
She married my grandfather William Butterfield, who was also from Fulham (unsure of the year).
I would like to know who her parents (my great grandparents) were and where she was born and lived, if she had any siblings, as I cannot find any birth information and was told that she was born in Margravine Road, Fulham.. could it be the workhouse?
Thank you so much in advance, this information will be much appreciated.
Yours Sincerely
Amanda
me again…Or she could have been born in February 1908?
the information I have is very limited.
Thanks again.
Amanda
My mother was born in the the workhouse infirmary but her mother was not in the workhouse just turned up heavily pregnant, the address was given as though it was a house no in the road. Apparently this is what happened rather then tell the registra your baby was born in the workhouse onfirmary..
I have a copy of the infirmary log as to her arrival ,condition and leaving 2 weeks later.
Brian
Hello Brian,
Thank you for your response and information.
I wasn’t aware that the address of the workhouse infirmary was used in this way, very helpful.
May I ask what the address states please?
Hello Amanda
With so many possibilities for your grandmother but none of them fitting exactly to her name, you need to order her wedding certificate and death certificate to know who her parents are to then research the next generation back. Is the knowledge you know from family stories or from documentation?
1903 BIRTH
Name: William Butterfield
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Fulham
Inferred County: London
1908 BIRTH
Name: Alice Rose Green
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
1908 BIRTH
Name: Lily Alice R Green
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
1908 BAPTISM
Name: Lila Ruth May Alice Green
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 7 Jun/Not her wrong birthday
Baptism Date: 7 Jul 1908
Baptism Place: St John, Worlds End, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Frederick William Green
Mother: Hellen Green
1908 BAPTISM
Name: Kathleen Alice Green
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 14 Feb 1908/not her wrong birthday
Baptism Date: 29 Mar 1908
Baptism Place: St Matthew, West Kensington
Father: Charles Francis Green
Mother: Alice Green
1908 BIRTH
Name: Ella Alice Green
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Fulham
Inferred County: London
1909 BAPTISM
Name: Rose Violet Green
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 15 Jul 1909/not her wrong birthday
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1909
Baptism Place: St Peter, Fulham
Father: Alfred Edward Green
Mother: Annie Green
1911 CENSUS
Father John is a green grocer
Name: William Butterfield
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hammersmith
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 7 Orris Mews Beaton Road, Hammersmith
Occupation: SCHOLAR
Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: South Hammersmith
Household Members:
John A Butterfield 29
Caroline Butterfield 27
John Butterfield 10
William Butterfield 8
Caroline Butterfield 6
1911 CENSUS
Name: Alice Green
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Child
Birth Place: Hammersmith
Civil Parish: Fulham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 11 Hilmer Street, West Kensington
Registration district: Fulham
Household Members:
William Green 65
Hannah Green 22 daughter
Alice Green 4 child / why?
Catherine Green 0 granddaughter
1928 MARRIAGE
Order marriage certificate for her family
Name: William Butterfield
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Alice Rose Green
1939 NATIONAL REGISTER
Name: William Butterfield Senior
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 22 Mar 1902
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: Hammersmith, London, England
Occupation: Horse Driver (Coal )
Inferred Spouse: Rose Butterfield 22 February 1908
Inferred Children: John Butterfield
1974 DEATH
Name: William Butterfield
Death Age: 71
Birth Date: 5 Apr 1903
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: Greater London
1975 DEATH
Order death certificate for her family
Name: Alice Rose Butterfield
Death Age: 67
Birth Date: 23 Feb 1908
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: Greater London
Hello Lorraine,
Thank you so much for your response and information.
The information I have is from distant family (so not confirmed) and some information from ancestry, but again, I cannot be sure until I order the certificates you stated.
If you do find any further info, please do let me know.
Amanda
Hello,
I am trying to find out what sort of building existed at 180, Westway, Hammersmith in January 1967.
I believe my grandfather, Richard Andrew Wragg died at this address and that it might have been a nursing home.
Would you know what would be the best way to find out?
I live in Australia so have to search online.
Many thanks,
Carolyn Wragg.
Hello Carolyn
The burial register might say more about the address
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=6377471
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westway_(London)
I think you might have to ask Local Archives
The 1965 London Electoral Register doesn’t have an 180 Westway but if a care home perhaps the residents weren’t able to vote, so weren’t registered, no other houses have lots of residents in case the houses had been re-numbered
Lorraine,
It’s unrelated to this subject because I couldn’t find it anywhere on here but I had a notification that you’d replied to someone about not being able to find Grove Terrace. It was at the Northern End of the Grove House Estate at the West Ken. end of North End Road and would have been near where Edith Road is now.
Thank you Caroline. So was Grove Terrace bombed out during the war or demolished in more modern times.
Found Grove Terrace in the end on Charles Booth survey next to Lawn Terrace.
Having problems too, sometimes can see replies, sometimes can’t.
Just looked up Kellys PO directory for 1967. 180 is a Hammersmith council carehome.
John for FHHS
Hiya Im wondering can anyone help me? Im looking for a Theresa Adams (maiden name). From Fulham lived in Kenyon street.
Thanks
Charlotte
Thank you for your help with this Laundry issue, I really appreciated it and will follow follow this up with the links that you have provided.
My kind regards.
My pleasure!
I have found an article about my Grandfather, who was held on remand in 1916, at 16 years old, I can’t find record of this on national archive or ancestry, any chance anyone can point me in the right direction, his name was Herbert victor feathers, from Hammersmith
Hello
On Ancestry:
1897 Baptism
Grace Theodora Feathers
Sister of Herbert
1900 Birth
Herbert Victor Feathers:
Lambeth
1900 Baptism
Herbert Victor Feathers
Lambeth
Father Alfred Feathers
Mother Sarah Ann Feathers
1901 Census
Bertie FETHERS living in Hammersmtih, Fulham with both parents and six siblings
Father is a stone mason
Daughter Ada works for a tobaccanist
1904 Death
Mother died
1911 Census
Living with sisters Lilian and Grace Feathers in 89 Uxbridge Road, Fulham, Hammersmith, father is working away in Staffordshire
1914-1918
Herbert Victor Feathers
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Duke of Cambridge’s Own (Middlesex) Regiment
Regimental Number: L/19214
Previous Units: 205316. 2/2nd Lond. R. Pte
No medals, in a state of desertion
https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/middlesex-regiment-duke-cambridges-own
You could ask the National Army Musuem what this means
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middlesex_Regiment
1916 West London Observer
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000437/19160707/030/0002
Youthful warehouse breakers
1938 Death
Father dies in Brentford
1918 PRISONER OF WAR
First name(s) Herbert
Last name Feathers
Event date 25 Mar 1918
Service number 247716
Regiment Middlesex Regiment 2nd
Country Great Britain
Document details Prisoners of the First World War, the International Committee of the Red Cross
Reference numbers PA 25186
Prisoners Of The First World War Herbert Feathers PA 25186
https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/3655166/698/25186/
Think cousin of your Herbert as born in 1884
Herbert Feathers, Everington Street, Hammersmith
1901 census father Robert a grocer (has a brother Alfred, the father of your Herbert?), in 1871 census Robert and Alfred together
I know of Robert the grocer, but haven’t come across a Herbert 1884, so will keep looking. The article I came across and that’s referenced above says he was held on remand so was hoping there’d be a trace of him. He deserted in ww1, a short a teenager and changed his name illegally so it’s hard to pin down after the desertion. Thanks for you’re help.
Hi
My pleasure!
Robert Feathers the grocer, son Herbert 1884
Alfred Feathers, son Herbert Victor 1900
I think Robert and Alfred are brothers, found a Robert and Alfred together in 1871, making both Herberts cousins – if Robert and Alfred are brothers, all living in the same area
Herbert Victor’s WWI cards show ‘desertion’.
Do you know what he called himself later on, where he lived, what his job was, marriage, children?
I just can’t find a Herbert 1884, did you find him
On ancestry? The rest fits perfectly, he changed his name to (a super common name, thanks grandad) William Albert archer (still Everyone called him bert) he actually legged it up to Scotland and married, had 3/4 children I believe, then he left his wife for my grandmother, who was 30 years his junior! Margaret McDonald (maiden name wood) she was about 18, and from the Glasgow area, which is why it’s super hard to track him because as you’ll know Scotland lock up there documents for a long time
Hi
The Herbert Feathers in the prisoner of war camp is born 1894 and lives at Everington Street, where Robert Feathers lives – I can’t find Herbert Feathers born 1884 anywhere else either – unless this is your Herbert and has given an older birth date and Robert is family he has chosen to give, Herbert prisoner of war has a January birthday, your Herbert has a January birthday.
Between us we’ve cracked it, Albert feathers must have gone by the name Herbert feathers, it’s what my grandad also changed his middle name to from his first name Herbert, (so I guess it’s was the equivalent of James/Jim, William/billy) Albert birthday matches that of Herbert in the army record, and Alberts father was a grocer. I have a pretty sketchy family, using different names on legal docs lol. My grandad Herberts sisters were apparently on stage in the youth, dancing girls, but couldn’t find any info on that, was there a theatre that was in Hammersmith in the 1900’s?
That’s it well spotted, Albert is born in 1884 on 1911 census and ‘Herbert’ is born January 1884 in prisoner of war records, Albert’s birth is registered,Jan-Feb-Mar Quarter 1884. Our ancestors also changed their names on a regular basis only being able to prove by lots of cross-referencing!
Our ancestors were theatrical also, Edward Leslie Court was living in Lillie Road Fulham in 1901 as a private secretary we think to the Empress Theatre as we later find him working as Chief Of Staff at the London Coliseum.
Theatres In Hammersmith
http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/Hammersmith.htm
Theatrical Ancestor Research
http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/AncestorResearch.htm
Theatres In Fulham
http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/FulhamTheatres.htm
http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/EmpressHall.htm
Victoria & Albert Museum/Theatre Collection
https://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/theatre-performance
Contact them and ask if they have information on your theatrical relatives, they had information on our relatives
British Newspaper Archive
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
We found our theatrical relatives in various newspapers
Grace Theodora Feathers born 1896, no dancing 1911
Lilian May Feathers born 1893, no dancing 1911
Elsie Alfreda Feathers born 1891 (named after father Alfred), no dancing 1911
Frances Edith Feathers born 1889, no dancing 1911
Florence May Feathers born 1888, no dancing 1911
Ada Dora Feathers born 1886, no dancing in 1911
Nothing in the newspapers but they could have been using middle names, pet names, stage names, found our ancestors using stage names
We found our theatrical ancestors just by typing their names or with the word ‘theatre’.
West London Observer 1916
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000437/19160707/030/0002
WEDNESDAY — Before Mr. de Grey. YOUTHFUL WAREHOUSE-BREAKERS, Charles Wm. Holloway, 15, cinema attendant, of 79, Willow Vale, Shepherd’s Hush, and Herbert Victor Feathers. 16, errand boy, of 33, Tabor Road, Hammersmith, were charged with being concerned in breaking into a warehouse at 135 The Arches Ravenscourt Park, between Saturday night, the 1st inst., and Sunday morning, the 2nd inst., and stealing a pair of field glasses, a cheque book, and a mackintosh, of the total value of £10, belonging to Mr. A. J. Payne, of A. and W. Payne, motor launch builders. Mr. Payne said the place was safely locked up on Saturday night, and on Sunday evening witness was called to the place, and found it had been broken into. The back door had been forced, and the office was in contusion, the rolltop desk having been broken open and the contents scattered about. The property mentioned in the charge was missing. Det-Sergt. Brown stated that Feathers, when arrested, said, ” We were both there,” and Holloway said, ” We sold the glasses for a shilling.” The witness added that other charges of housebreaking would be brought against the prisoners and his Worship accordingly ordered a remand.
Herbert Victor Feathers case was heard by West London Police Court
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/5d2db9d5-754b-4a70-bd1c-428dc40d24cc
National Archives
Administrative / biographical background:
This court was originally opened in Kensington (1 Church Court) in approximately 1841. It was known as the Kensington Police Court and administered jointly with Wandsworth Police Court. It was moved to Brook Green Lane, Hammersmith in 1843 and became known as the Hammersmith Police Court. In 1859 it moved to the Junction of Vernon Street and Southcombe Street, West Kensington. In 1889 it was administratively separated from Wandsworth and became known as the West London Police Court
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a/A13532670
Records held at London Metropolitan Archives
HM Prison Wormwood Scrubs (informally “The Scrubs”) is a Category B men’s prison located in the Wormwood Scrubs area of the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham, in West London, England. The prison is operated by Her Majesty’s Prison Service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Wormwood_Scrubs
Write to the Governor to find out where the 1916 archives are stored, but you would need to look at the court case papers first to see if he was sent on remand to the ‘local’ prison HM Wormwood Scrubs
Hi I am hoping u may be able to help in my research of my great grandfather Ralph Pearson. It is my belief from his marriage & death certificate that he was born in Hammersmith in 1849 to a John Pearson & Elizabeth Pearson nee Shelton. I cannot find any immigration records for him but he was married in Australia in 1884 & I have no information prior to that. He is a mystery & I would truly appreciate any help u could offer. In Australia he called his property “Nottingdale” & I think this may be significant. He died in Australia in 1920. Thank u so much Cheers Linda
Hello Linda
Notting Dale is an area in London.
http://hidden-london.com/gazetteer/notting-dale/
https://www.silchesterestate.org.uk/about-us/notting-dale-history/
https://www.theundergroundmap.com/article.html?id=953
https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2017/june/in-notting-dale
Hello Linda
Notting Dale is an area in London.
http://hidden-london.com/gazetteer/notting-dale/
https://www.silchesterestate.org.uk/about-us/notting-dale-history/
https://www.theundergroundmap.com/article.html?id=953
https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2017/june/in-notting-dale
View at Medium.com
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-london/vol37/pp340-355
I have been unable to find Ralph Pearson born 1849 Hammersmith with his parents John and Elizabeth, so suggest asking a general family history forum to help alongside FFHS
Rootschat are excellent, there are others also
https://www.rootschat.com/
Did you get my previous similar reply, having problems with my posts.
Thank u so much for getting back to me Lorraine. Sorry I didn’t get your previous similar post. Ralph is our brick wall Cheers Linda
My pleasure Linda
It does seem that some posts are not being saved by the software, I keep my research in Word now just in case for re-posting.
Other times I see other people’s replies, then another times I don’t – can’t be only one having this problem?
Hello Linda
Have looked at Ralph’s Australian marriage certificate and Australian death certificate. The details are so clear – but still Ralph and his parents are not showing up in England, London!
Ralph named his home Notting Dale – that’s Kensington & Chelsea, not Hammersmith & Fulham, so please contact their local archives and local historical group and local family history group
Unfortunately some people’s records disappear for all manner of reasons
Hopefully this thread will also help to solve the mystery!
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=815425.new#new
Ralph is found Linda, well done for providing such informative facts and useful information that’s helped crack the case!
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=815425.new#new
A baptism for John Ralph Shilton (Shelton) at Hammersmith, 19 Jan 1849, son of John and Elizabeth (maiden name Croucher)
In 1871 census Ralph living with wife Sarah (Coleman who he had married in 1868) in Portland Road, NOTTING DALE!
Thank u so very very much. It is really appreciated. I was so excited to receive the news of finding Ralph, I was shaking. A big thank u to all who helped solve our family brick wall. Cheers Linda
Our pleasure!
The information you have about Ralph, is it just from looking up records or do you have the actual physical records.
Do you have Ralph’s death certificate with extra information, i.e. how long in the colonies
I have his Australian marriage and death certificate. Would love a copy of his birth & marriage certificate in England. How can I get.
Your family member on Ancestry
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/21019175/person/1023983242/story
Only the 1849 baptism comes up, actually born in 1848
It is possible the birth wasn’t registered
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Register_Office_for_England_and_Wales
Can order the 1868 marriage certificate
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
HI Lorraine his death certificate states that he lived in Australian states “between 40 and 50 years Queensland and New South Wales”.
Thank you Linda
Hi Lorraine. I have the physical documents of Ralph in Australia. Eg marriage & death certificas. The roots web site matches my research in Australia to the tee in that married in Deepwater to Eliza aka Seib & marriage registered in Glenn Innes NSW. That his first son William was registered in Tenterfield & second son John registered in Queanbeyan. He also selected blocks of land at Biarra & Coolabunia. Tis his life prior to Australia I have spent years researching to no avail. However if he was born Shelton & not Pearson gives me more research options. Again I can’t thank u
Enough
I posed the question why use Pearson, would it be a family maiden name and Rootschat found a John Shelton getting married to an Elizabeth Pearson in Derbyshire – so is this the answer to the puzzle – on the Ancestry tree Elizabeth is Croucher – are they two different women, Elizabeth Pearson died or the same woman and had a link to Croucher – Ralph is one of the younger children so if Elizabeth Pearson is the ‘first’ wife, presumably he would be the child of the second Elizabeth Croucher? Don’t know? A conundrum, can ask your relative for clues now!
Hello Linda
Birth registration for John Ralph
Why use Pearson
John Ralfe
Shilton
Birth year 1849
Birth quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother’s maiden name Crowcher
District Kensington
Keep an eye on Rootschat, still trying to find information for you and/or sign up to thread for updates like for FHHS
Ancestry Ralph Family Trees
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/780532/person/25124928403/story?ssrc=
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/21019175/person/1023983242/story?ssrc=
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/36046513/person/29782777990/story?ssrc=
Best regards
HI lorraine I cannot find a link to why he Ralph would have changed his name. Just with all the research cannot find anything under Pearson in regards to him or his parents in Middlesex. I so appreciate the ongoing support to help solve our brick wall. I have tried to join the rootschat with no success. Will keep trying & thanks again. Cheers Linda thank u for the links gives me more research items
Hi Linda
There may be no link it may just be a name he chose
but quite often when people changed their names they would use family maiden names or children would be baptised with their father’s name and mother’s maiden name
e.g.
Father Paul Perkins
Mother Maddie Perkins (nee Devlon)
Child Mathew Devlon Perkins
All the best
Hi
I am trying to work out why a 16 year old girl, from a relatively well of Yorkshire family died at 35 Addison Gardens Fulham. Her name was Mary Ann Bertha Ickringill who died on 23 November 1891 of an ulcer of the stomach. Cause of death certified by F A Low MB. Do you have any information about this property and its use in 1891?
Thanking you for your time and in hope of some answers.
Liz Egginton
Hello Liz
This is 35 Addison Gardens
https://www.google.com/maps/place/35+Addison+Gardens,+Hammersmith,+London+W14+0DP/@51.5013976,-0.2166638,3a,75y,124.89h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjdzwoPZsT677gbQRvG9sEg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x48760fc383e230f9:0x376ed0b35b3db6f0!2s35+Addison+Gardens,+Hammersmith,+London+W14+0DP!3b1!8m2!3d51.5013419!4d-0.2164854!3m4!1s0x48760fc383e230f9:0x376ed0b35b3db6f0!8m2!3d51.5013419!4d-0.2164854
In the 1901 census and 1911 census a wealthy stockbroker Magnus Schaap is living there with his family and servants, couldn’t find address in 1891 census or London Electoral Registers, Magnus is living in Paddington in 1891 census
Peptic Ulcer In Infancy & Childhood
https://adc.bmj.com/content/archdischild/17/90/82.full.pdf
Three fatal cases of stomach ulcer 1891
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1517061
Charles Booth
Addison Road, middle class, well to do
https://booth.lse.ac.uk/map/18/-0.2174/51.5010/100/0?marker=523829.0,179518.0
Could have been severe Crohn’s, could have been perforated ulcer, poor girl, not much could be done then, only 16
Hello
I am looking for any information from anybody who may have known or has connection with John Robert Harvey who ran an antiques company “London and County Antiques” with his partner Jack Tully from 299 Lillie Road Fulham SW6 in the early 1970’s (certainly until 1974).
I would be enormously grateful for any help…
Best Regards
Neil Jones
Hello
I am looking for any information from anybody who may have known or has connection with John Robert Harvey who ran an antiques company “London and County Antiques” with his partner Jack Tully from 299 Lillie Road Fulham SW6 in the early 1970’s (certainly until 1974).
I would be enormously grateful for any help…
Best Regards
Neil Jones
Dear Sir/Madam, I am researching information for one of my brother in laws to give to him on his 80th birthday, later this year, and am hoping you can help with three questions. I believe that my brother in laws Great, Great Grandfather, Edward Maishman {possibly baptised Isaac Edward Jermiah Maishman} married Ann Keilbach at Kensington in the last quarter of 1851. Others believe that they married on the 27th Oct 1851 at Hammersmith Baptist Chapel. I can find no record of the Baptist Chapel marriage and hope that you can help. My second question concerns Ann Keilbach, I believe that she was born to Nathaniel & Pepfepenny Keilbach in 1828/29. Others believe that her father was John Keilbach, they seem to have found this information on the marriage document Again, I can find no original document of an Ann Keilbach born 1828/29 to a father, John, nor can I find an original marriage document for Ann’s marriage to Edward at either Kensington or Hammersmith and again hope you can help. Lastly, Edward Maishman who at one time was a police officer at Millman Row and his wife Ann both appear to have died at exactly the same time and place, 1st quarter 1856 at Kensington. This is out of the ordinary and hopefully you can throw some light on this as well.
Regards. B Ekins
Hello Brian
This link details the family members of Edward Maishman
http://sites.rootsweb.com/~maishman/Stephen1/RR01/RR01_003.htm
1851 CENSUS
Edward Maishman police constable, Millman Row Police Station
1851 OLD BAILEY
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=t18510303-697
EDWARD MAISHMAN (policeman, V 111.) On 11th Feb., about twenty minutes to five o’clock, the prisoner was given in custody by his brother, for stealing a purse and six sovereigns, belonging to his uncle—be begged his brother not to give him in charge, but to let some one else give him in charge—I took him—he told me he had taken it, and it was a bad job, that he went to Chatham, and it was all taken from him at a house in the Brook, and it had never done him any good.
1851 MARRIAGE
Marries Ann Keilbach, Kensington
Edward’s father is a bookmaker
1852 BIRTH
Son Edward Chelsea
1852 OLD BAILEY
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=t18521025-1022
EDWARD MAISHMAN (policeman, V 111). I know this shoe belonged to Jones—he was brought into the station on the Saturday previous to the bur-glary—I saw this button, and this patch on it—it hurt his heel, and it is cut down in this part—I am a shoemaker, and I took particular notice of it.
Jones. It is not my shoe. Witness. I have not a shadow of a doubt of it
1854 BIRTH
Son Robert Kensington
1855 DEATH
Son Robert Chelsea
1855 BIRTH
Daughter Anne Maishman, Kensington
1856 BAPTISM
Daughter Anne Fulham
1856 DEATH
Daughter Ann Kensington
1856 CRIMINAL REGISTER
Name: Edward Maishman
Date of Trial: 21 Jan 1856
Trial Year: 1856
Location of Trial: Middlesex, England
Sentence: Acquittal
1856 DEATH
You will need to order death certificate to find out more
Name: Edward Maishman
Registration Year: 1856
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 82
1861 CENSUS
I believe mother Ann and son Edward are found under Marshman with Ann working as a dressmaker in Chelsea
CHOLERA PANDEMIC
You would need to order the death certificates but as we know there were outbreaks of many diseases during Victorian times particularly in London
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1846%E2%80%931860_cholera_pandemic
Hello Brian
1800s BAPTISM
Ann Keilbach, father John (from marriage certificate)
May not have been baptised
1851 CENSUS
Census done on 30 March
Edward is with other police officers
1851 CENSUS
Census done on 30 March
Ann will be with or without her family, unable to find her or with father John
1851 MARRIAGE
Need to order marriage certificate, getting married 27 October at Hammersmith Baptist Church with father John Keilbach will be found within this document
Name: Edward Maishman
Registration Year: 1851
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 3
Page: 427
Records on Page:
Name
Ann Keilbach
West Kensington straddles the border between the boroughs of Hammersmith & Fulham and Kensington & Chelsea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Kensington
1856 BAPTISM
Private baptism
Name: Anne Maishman
Gender: Female
Spouse: Edward Isaac Jeremiah Maishman
Child: Anne Maishman
1856 DEATH
Need to order death certificate
Name: Edward Maishman
Registration Year: 1856
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 82
The Potteries and the Bramley Road area and the Rise of the Housing Problem in North Kensington
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-london/vol37/pp340-355
1856 DEATH
Need to order death certificate, wife or daughter
Name: Ann Maishman
Registration Year: 1856
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 84
Otherwise Rootschat can help
https://www.rootschat.com/
Hello Brian
Keep an eye on this thread, more experienced researchers may come up with something more and you can add information to the thread
Rootschat
Keilbach & Maishman Family – Double Death
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=814590.new#new
Hi,
My name is Dan. I’m trying to find where my parents got married in Hammersmith in 1969. I have a photo of them entering the registry office ( i presume). However I cannot match this to buildings now.
I wonder if you could offer any guidance. Has the registry office for marriages changed since 1969. Was it then at the town hall?
The photo shows the edge of the building has thick white bands and then two thin white bands. If anyone is good at building spotting I’d love to hear from them.
Many thanks for your time,
Dan.
Please forward photograph file to history@allsaints-fulham.org.uk.thanks, and will try to sort out venue.
That’s great. Thanks i’ve sent over an email. Hope you get it. Do you know where the registry office was prior to it being in the current town hall in Hammersmith?
Many thanks,
Dan
Unless it has changed in recent years, it is currently opposite the side of the Town Hall. I think that before that it was in Hammersmith Road.
Thanks for the message. Do you know whereabouts on Hammersmith Road it was. Did my email with pictures come through? Thanks, dan.
As far as I remember, it was near Nazareth House and St Paul’s School. I’ll see if my sister remembers. No. I didn’t see the picture.
My sister thinks I might be mistaken about Hammersmith Road. Please can you remind me of the approximate date? I wish I could see the picture.
Back to my original thought that it was in Hammersmith Road!
Extract from a novel Ghost Girl by Lesley Thomson…”Travelling towards the lights on Hammersmith Road, passing the site of the registry office – long gone – where her parents had married in 1966….”
I am trying to find the exact date and possi;le newspaper report of an Australian woman Beverley Dewhurst who drowned, aged 22, in the Thames in 1962 (probably July).
Any in formation greatly appreciated
It might be best to enquire of the Australian High Commision to get a date, you could then search local papers at the relevant borough Archive or the British Library.
Further, I have just checked Free BMD see link which gives the following info:
Deaths Sep 1962
DEWHURST Beverley A. 22 Fulham Vol 5c page 409
So this may give you a starting point for papers. The Sep date is actually the Quarter year so you will have to send for the certificate or sign up for Ancestry or Find My Past. The Hammersmith and Fulham Archive may be able to find more info – email is archives@lbhf.gov.uk . Also just seen your email address is in Aus so physically looking at papers is not an option. Google Ancestry etc to get your local version.
Hello FHHS
My work is constantly disappearing, now not posting and not even saying for review, along with post I was replying to disappearing.
Think software needs reviewing to make most of your fascinating site, like rootschat forum.
Other times gets reviewed and can see, so inconsistent.
Hello FHHS
Not sure if this is the answer to some posts going through and others disappearing – is it because some users no longer belong to the forum? If this is so, makes sense, but annoying as you don’t know who is and who isn’t active when putting a post through? Shame also as the posts bring up amazing local history and family history
Extract from newspaper……We planned to marry. He added that Beverley left the fiat, at Avonmore-road. Fulham. last Saturday morning— to live somewhere else. The coroner’s verdict: Beverley killed herself. a Beverley Dewhurst …
Published: Saturday 04 August 1962
Newspaper: Daily Mirror
County: London, England
Type: Illustrated | Words: 262 | Page: 6 | Tags: none
Thank you
Can anyone help with information on possible links between the Hammersmith workhouse and the cotton mills in Bolton? I am currently researching an ancestor Rose Beard b 1868. Her family were in very straightened circumstances and she appears in the 1881 census in Rumworth Bolton as a cotton mill operative age 14 boarding with a number of other London born girls. There is an Industrial school at Rumworth (Lostock) but this was only for boys in the 1870s. Can anyone point me to some fruitful areas of research to find out how she might have found herself so far away from home?
This is from the Spartacus-educational.com website…see it for full account, but gives a possible indication of what could have happened
Many parents were unwilling to allow their children to work in these new textile factories. To overcome this labour shortage factory owners had to find other ways of obtaining workers. One solution to the problem was to buy children from orphanages and workhouses. The children became known as pauper apprentices. This involved the children signing contracts that virtually made them the property of the factory owner.
John Brown, the author of Robert Blincoe’s Memoir, explained how eighty children were taken from St. Pancras Workhouse: “In the summer of 1799 a rumour circulated that there was going to be an agreement between the church wardens and the overseers of St. Pancras Workhouse and the owner of a great cotton mill, near Nottingham. The children were told that when they arrived at the cotton mill, they would be transformed into ladies and gentlemen: that they would be fed on roast beef and plum pudding, be allowed to ride their masters’ horses, and have silver watches, and plenty of cash in their pockets. In August 1799, eighty boys and girls, who were seven years old, or were considered to be that age, became parish apprentices till they had acquired the age of twenty-one.
Hi historyaschurchfulham
Thanks for this. My ancestor Rose was the middle child of 3. Her mother had died, followed by her father a year later leaving her 20 year old stepmother with 4 children under 12. The stepmother Sarah married the children’s uncle Frederick but they were very poor. Rose ended up in a cotton mill in Bolton so I’m wondering if anyone has any knowledge of the workhouse/guardian arrangements that might have led to her going. This would have been in the 1870s. I appreciate the “buying” of apprentices in the late C18th and early C19th but was this more organised in the 1870s? The family lived between Bradmore Park Rd and Southerton Rd. Does anyone know what jurisdiction they might have fallen within or what authorities might have been involved in sending a young girl away, and indeed what records there might be?
Many Thanks
Joanne,
I don’t know whether this helps at all.
I think Bradmore Park Road and Southerton Road, both W6, were still part of the Parish of Fulham until 1900 when Hammersmith got its first mayor.
) The 1881 Census show a Beard family (Frederick, Sarah, Alice and Florence) at 54, Southerton Road.
2) A Rose Jane M Beard married a Robert McCartney in Bolton, Lancashire in 1889.
3) The 1901 Census shows a Rosey McCartney (born Hammersmith) with a husband Robert McCartney and 5 children (Florence, Rosey, William, Lillian and George) at 21, Ballington Street, Toxteth Park, Lancashire.
4) The 1911 Census shows them (minus Rosey junior) at the same address but Rose senior is shown by that name and not Rosey and her birthplace is showing as Willesden not Hammersmith but there must be a chance that Hammersmith and Willesden came under the same Parish back then.
Hi Mark
Thanks for your help. I am aware of all their movements but I’m keen to find out if there’s any documentary stuff about how Rose,Rosey) came to be in Bolton. For example there is a record of her sister Florence being enrolled in school by Frederick. The older brother became a carpenter like his father and uncle. From the scraps we have I don’t sense they were an uncaring family- just too poor.
If it’s Fulham parish, can anyone point me to the relevant poor law/Guardians records?
Many thanks
Joanne
With regards records check out
London Metropolitan Archives on line catalogue.
level of DescriptionCollectionDate1842-1931
Extent24.4 linear metres
Scope and Content
Records of the Fulham Poor Law Union, 1842-1931; including minutes of meetings of the Boards of Guardians; minutes and reports of various Committees; financial accounts; staff records; correspondence with and orders from Government departments; general correspondence, particularly relating to the Belmont Institution; plans of Fulham Workhouse; contracts; orders of removal to and from other Unions; registers of lunatics; receiving officer’s report on lunatics; registers of Fulham Palace Road Workhouse and Saint Dunstan’s Road Infirmary; registers of apprentices; registers of children in various schools, institutions and children’s homes.
Hello Joanne
Rose Jane Mary Beard an operative at the cotton mills married in 1889 to Robert McCartney a mechanic at the cotton mills who then went onto work as a mechanic for the Tate Sugar Factory
They were both residing at Lostock Junction when they married
In the 1881 census Rose with the other London girls are living in Heatons Houses with a wife and her daughter – Lostock Junction Mills stood on a narrow stretch of land by Heaton Road
Lostock Mills
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lostock_Junction_Mills
Lancashire Mill owners negotiated contracts with London Poor Law Guardians to supply cheap labour/apprentices
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_mill
Could have been an apprentice taken from London workhouse to work in Bolton
https://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-28/the-mill-the-real-story-of-the-child-slaves-of-the-industrial-revolution/
Lostock Mills
Lancashire Female Cotton Operatives
https://www.jstor.org/stable/591413?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Lostock Mills
http://bolton.webeden.co.uk/croal/4593472840
London Metropolitan Archives – possible London Poor Law Guardian contracts with Lancashire Mill owners
https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/london-metropolitan-archives/visitor-information/Pages/opening-times.aspx
Bolton Local Archives
http://www.boltonlams.co.uk/archives
Lancashire County Archives
https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-and-record-office/enquiries-and-research/
Hello Joanne
The article on Pauper Apprenticeship explains about children being brought from London to the mills
https://www.balh.org.uk/uploads/tlh-downloads/balh-the-local-historian-14-7.pdf
Hello FHHS,
I wonder if any of your members might be able to help with a query: I’m doing research for a short film about the Llandow Air Disaster of March 1950, in which an Avro Tudor 5 crashed on final approach to RAF Llandow in South Wales with the loss of 80 lives, including the flight engineer, John Alexander Berry, who used to live at 28 Richmond Way, Shepherd’s Bush with his parents. Although it is now a long time ago, I was hoping that there might be relatives or descendants still living in your area who might be prepared to give me more information about him.
Kind regards,
Anthony Hontoir
Downwood Film Productions
All civil and military aircraft accidents are listed with links on Wikipedia sights 1959 commercial on is listed thus, and has an entry for this accident
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft#1950
Hello Mr Hontoir
According to his 1950 London Probate he lived with his wife Peggy Maureen Berry at the address you quoted – can’t find a marriage for them though.
If you know the maiden name of the wife, then you can search for all Berry babies born with the mother’s maiden name – even looking for John Alexander Berry no-one is researching him on Ancestry.
Hello FHHS
I left two messages for Nicola Byrne yesterday
The second shorter message is showing up
The first longer message is not showing up – but had been approved. There was alot of research in that reply, what is happening with that post please
Sorry Lorraine I have been a little behind on moderating, catching up now sorry to all for the inconvenience. Thankyou for your comprehensive response.
No problem – thought it was a glitch with the software and to let you know as soon as possible to get the missing text back.
Hello FHHS
I see my replies are still in preview, please do you know when they will be moderated?
Thank you
Hi just getting a bit worried, is moderating just a little behind or software not working?
Have seen some comments in preview needing to be moderated, some have been moderated, some data has disappeared does this happen when you are looking at?
Thank you
Hello FHHS
Please can you let me know what is going on with my research
Sometimes the post says is being moderated
Sometimes the post goes straight through as moderated
When I go back in:
Sometimes posts are there to see as moderated or unmoderated
Sometimes posts are not there to see moderated or unmoderated
If I have replied several times to a post sometimes all the posts are there
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I am now saving my work in Word and checking my research is still on the site, e.g. research for Ben with the Bevans family, two posts there last night and still there this morning
People have helped me with my family history research on other sites, so helping people on this site is my payback, as well as finding interesting information for the area where our ancestors lived.
Is there a problem with the software?
If this is happening to me, is this happening to other users?
My Great Aunt, Henriette Alexandrine Emilie Cooper was killed by enemy action in 1944 at her house at 68 Clifford Road, Hounslow. Does anyone have any information about this event?
DOUBLE FUNERAL There was a double funeral at Heston on Wednesday—of Mrs. Henriette Alexandrine Emilie Cooper, of 68, Clifford Road, Hounslow, who was killed by enemy action in Southern England, and of Mrs. Irene Ethel Jelinska, of 41, North Hyde Lane …
Published: Saturday 22 July 1944
Newspaper: Middlesex Chronicle
County: London, England
Type: Article | Words: 426 | Page: 3 | Tags: non
Hello Claire
Had this reply to which I have thanked the Archivist.
Hounslow Libraries Local Collection includes a simple typescript list of wartime bombing incidents in the borough of Heston and Isleworth between 1940 and 1945. This provides the date and location of the bomb incident and a note of the extent of the property damage it caused, but does not record casualties. However, thanks to your transcribed report from Hounslow’s weekly newspaper; and to our extract copy of the Roll of Honour of Civilian War Dead (1939-45) for the borough of Heston and Isleworth (Imperial/Commonwealth War Graves Commission), I can tell you that Henriette Alexandriene Emilie Cooper and Irene Ethel Jelinska, along with her baby daughter [Zofia Irena Jelinski born Blackpool, Lancashire, mother’s maiden name Lovell], died as a result of the Wilton Road V1 doodlebug/flying bomb incident of 12th July 1944 which damaged 900 homes over the area surrounding the bomb fall site.
Clifford Road and Wilton Road together form an ‘L’, with Clifford Road at the bottom and Wilton Road forming the side arm, just to the north west of Hounslow Barracks, in Hounslow West. Number 68 Clifford Road is very close to the inside angle of the ‘L’.
Our copy of the Register/Roll of Honour of Civilian War Dead for 1939-45 lists both Henriette Cooper and Irene Jelinska in its alphabetical sequence, giving them the same date and place of death. It looks as though Irene Jelinska was visiting, or was present at, the Cooper’s home at the time of the incident.
The Imperial/Commonwealth War Graves Roll of Honour is the only comprehensive listing of civilian fatalities of World War II. In recent years Councillor Sue Sampson and some residents of Isleworth set up a memorial to the civilian war dead of the parish of Isleworth on North Street Green – the site of another V1 flying bomb incident. A memorial book was published in connection with the new memorial stone. But this only covered the civilian dead of Isleworth, whilst Hounslow West is in the former parish of Heston.
James Marshall; Local Studies & Archives Manager
James.Marshall@hounslow.gov.uk
localstudies@hounslow.gov.uk
Dear Lorraine and James,Thank you so much for this. It really means a lot to me and will mean the world to my grandmother who is 97 and is still looking back on those times with many unanswered questions.Very best wishes,Claire
My pleasure!
Hounslow Archives have provided further information, to which I have replied and thanked.
Henriette Cooper has an entry in the Roll of Honour of Civilian War Dead as follows:
Cooper, Henrietta Alexandriene Emilie, age 50; of 68 Clifford Road, Hounslow. Wife of Arthur Cecil Cooper. 12 July 1944, at 68 Clifford Road.
Irene Jelinska is also recorded as having died at 68 Clifford Road on the same date, which would go some way to explaining the double funeral reported in the Chronicle.
This bombing is mentioned in A. R. P. (Civil Defence) in The Borough of Heston & Isleworth 1938-1945 by F. W. Swanwick:
The most serious flying bomb incident was at Wilton Road on the night of 12th July when 11 people were killed and 35 seriously injured. 7 houses were destroyed, 13 others damaged beyond repair and 1,000 others with varying damage of a lesser degree. 19 persons were trapped under debris and our Rescue parties worked for hours to get through the debris and rescued these people. A mobile First Aid Unit with Dr. Curran in charge set up on the spot and attended to many casualties. The Warden and Ambulance Services were also hard at work and help was given by men of the U. S. A. force as well as British Army units and the police. The W. V. S. set up an Enquiry Point and a Mobile Emergency Feeding Unit, which supplied refreshments to all in need. About 70 people were rendered homeless and they were accommodated at the nearest Rest Centre. District Warden R. T. Hamilton was the Incident Officer in charge, assisted by Deputy D. W. Sawyer.
The date and location of the bombing is also confirmed by the Heston and Isleworth bomb damage register.
Adam Grounds | Archives & Local Studies Assistant
http://www.hounslow.gov.uk
Hello Claire
Middlesex Chronicle
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000227/19440722/050/0003
DOUBLE FUNERAL There was a double funeral at Heston on Wednesday—of Mrs. Henriette Alexandrine Emilie Cooper, of 68, Clifford Road, Hounslow, who was killed by enemy action in Southern England, and of Mrs. Irene Ethel Jelinska, of 41, North Hyde Lane, Heston, who lost her life at the same time. Mrs. Jelinska’s husband, Flt.- Lieut. Z.’ Jelinska, of the Polish Air Force, and their baby daughter (Z. I. Jelinska), aged six months, were injured and taken to hospital. Baby Jelinska died on Wednesday. Before her marriage Mrs. Jelinska was a Civil servant, engaged at the Ministry of Health. She was 22 years of age. Mrs. Cooper, 50 •years of age, was the wife of Mr. A. C. Cooper, who in 1939, holding the position of Higher Clerical Officer, Offices of the Cabinet, Committee of Imperial Defence, Economic Advisory Council and Minister for Coordination of Defence, was awarded the M.B.E. in the King’s Birthday Honours. Mr. Cooper , was formerly assistant secretary and chairman of Hounslow West (Heath Ward) Ratepayers Association (Non- Political). The interment of Mrs. Cooper in Heston Churchyard was preceded by a service in Heston Parish Church, Rev. G. Graggs (Vicar) officiating. The organist (Mr. Donoygn Ryan) played ‘‘Ave Maria as the coffin rested in ‘the church and the mourners entered, and after the service the coffin was borne from the church to the strains of Chopin’s Funeral March. The mourners were Mr. A. C. Cooper (husband), Miss J. D. Cooper (daughter), Miss M. A. L. Porel Dagroad (sister), Mrs. A. Spencer (aunt) and Mrs. E. M. Reeves (cousin). Floral tributes were sent by: Husband and daughter: sister and cousin; father-in-law: aunt and cousin; Director and staff of the Central Statistical Office; Mr. and Mrs. Moore and family; Mr. and Mrs. Ashwell and Joyce; Neighbours in Clifford Road; Miss L. McAnearney; Mr. and Mrs. Brett. A Requiem Mass for Mrs. Jelinska was held in the Fathers’ Roman Catholic Church, Heston, and Father T. Tye officiated at the interment -in Heston Churchyard. The mourners were Mrs. E. M. Lovell (mother), Ordinary Seaman G. R. Lovell (brother), Mrs. S. Pritchard (cousin). Flt.-Lt. W. Potocki and Flying Officer S. Tronczinski (representatives of the Polish Air Force), and Mrs. N. Fraser (friend). Senders of floral tributes were: Husband: mother: Aunts Lily and Sis, and cousins Stella and Mabel: C.O. and pilots of a Polish Squadron; Arthur and Daphne Cooper. The arrangements for the double funeral were entrusted to T. H. Sanders and Sons Ltd., Staines Road. The funeral of Baby Jelinska, also at Heston, was on Friday.
1944 BIRTH
Name: Zofia I Jelinski
Registration Date: Jan 1944
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Blackpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Mother’s Maiden Name: Lovell
Volume Number: 8e
Page Number: 727
1944 DEATH BABY
Name: Zofia I Jelinska
Death Age: 0
Birth Date: abt 1944
Registration Date: Jul 1944
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 185
Did you get my previous similar post, having problems
So sad, and the poor litt
Both my great grandparents are listed as dying on 22 June 1944 in barking road Canning Town.. does anyone know what happened that day? I know it was ww2 but cannot find information about that day Thursday 22 July e 1944
William and Catherine Winslow
Looking at Bombsight shows a number of bombs mainly HE in 1941, 44 was the V bomb campaign. It is possible they were not in their home when killed. I would try the London Metropolitan Archive. All boroughs have lists of those killed in airraids. You could also look in the local papers if you have the date and can get to LMA or British Library. I’, afraid its way off our patch.
Good luck
Hello Nikki
National Archives, Kew
Bomb Census Survey Records
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/bomb-census-survey-records-1940-1945/
Commonwealth War Graves Commission
Catherine Winslow died at Odeon Cinema, civilian casualty
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3106475/winslow,-catherine-ann/
Commonwealth War Graves Commission
William Winslow died at Odeon Cinema, civilian casualty
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3106478/winslow,-william-john-alfred/
The cinema had closed by 1941, why were they there, was it used for other purposes
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/14789
https://historicengland.org.uk/services-skills/education/educational-images/odeon-cinema-barking-road-east-ham-3704
Odeon bombed twice
https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/80/a2841680.shtml
The Newham Story, might know more about the 1944 bombing or where to get information
http://www.newhamstory.co.uk/index.php?topic=1993.0
Newham Local Archives might know more, looked in the British Newspaper Archives and found nothing, might not have been reported as would affect morale
https://www.newham.gov.uk/Pages/Services/Local-history-and-archives.aspx
Photo, mentions about flying bomb in 1944
https://www.footballsite.co.uk/Statistics/Articles/DidYouKnow30.htm
West Ham United’s Upton Park/Boleyn Ground after it had been hit by a flying bomb in August 1944. On the right is St John’s Church and at the back is the Odeon Cinema in the Barking Road.
World War Two Civilian Deaths
Name: Catherine Ann Winslow
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Death Date: 22 Jun 1944
Death Place: West Ham, Essex, England
Age at Death: 56
Spouse: William John Alfred Winslow
1939 Census
William and Catherine’s daughter, also Catherine is an aluminium drill operator
To moderator, this version is slightly amended to your version
Hello Nikki
National Archives, Kew
Bomb Census Survey Records
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/bomb-census-survey-records-1940-1945/
Commonwealth War Graves Commission
Catherine Winslow died at Odeon Cinema, civilian casualty
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3106475/winslow,-catherine-ann/
Commonwealth War Graves Commission
William Winslow died at Odeon Cinema, civilian casualty
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3106478/winslow,-william-john-alfred/
The cinema had closed by 1941, why were they there, was it used for other purposes
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/14789
https://historicengland.org.uk/services-skills/education/educational-images/odeon-cinema-barking-road-east-ham-3704
Odeon bombed twice
https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/80/a2841680.shtml
The Newham Story, might know more about the 1944 bombing or where to get information
http://www.newhamstory.co.uk/index.php?topic=1993.0
Newham Local Archives might know more, looked in the British Newspaper Archives and found nothing, might not have been reported as would affect morale
https://www.newham.gov.uk/Pages/Services/Local-history-and-archives.aspx
Photo, mentions about flying bomb in 1944
https://www.footballsite.co.uk/Statistics/Articles/DidYouKnow30.htm
West Ham United’s Upton Park/Boleyn Ground after it had been hit by a flying bomb in August 1944. On the right is St John’s Church and at the back is the Odeon Cinema in the Barking Road.
World War Two Civilian Deaths
https://www.westminster-abbey.org/abbey-commemorations/commemorations/civilian-war-dead-roll-of-honour-1939-1945
Name: Catherine Ann Winslow
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Death Date: 22 Jun 1944
Death Place: West Ham, Essex, England
Age at Death: 56
Spouse: William John Alfred Winslow
Name: William John Alfred Winslow
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Death Date: 22 Jun 1944
Death Place: West Ham, Essex, England
Age at Death: 54
Spouse: Catherine Ann Winslow
1939 Census
William and Catherine’s daughter, also Catherine is an aluminium drill operator
Newham Local Archives is extremely helpful and knowledgeable with a wealth of records, so please email them or go into to see their archives.
Winslows killed at Odeon Cinema 1944, how?
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/14789
During a run of the programme “Case of the Frightened Lady” starring Marius Goring and “Alias the Deacon” starring Bob Burns, a bomb damaged the Odeon on 2nd October 1940 causing it to close down. It had been open just 15 months. Repairs were carried out and it re-opened on 3rd March 1941 with The Dead End Kids in “Hell’s Kitchen” and Jack Hulbert in “Jack’s the Boy”. Disaster struck again when it was hit by bombing on 11th May 1941. The Odeon never re-opened and had the shortest life of any of the Odeon Theatres, just operating for a total of 17 months.
Cinemas Of Essex book at Newham Local Archives says Odeon reopened for 1944 bombing, could have been bombed inside, trampled inside, bombed outside getting to air raid shelter or in air raid shelter.
Story probably not reported, or covered up, even death certificates not allowed to give true information.
https://www.eastlondonhistory.co.uk/second-world-war-bombing-raid-south-hallsville-school/
Cinema Air Raid Shelter
http://newhamphotos.com/blacksaturday.pdf
Catherine and William are also in the West Ham Civilian Casualties Memorial Book.
The ARP Wardens, Air Raid Precautions would have recorded the Odeon bombing in their records at the Newham Local Archives.
The story may have been reported in the Stratford Express (currently not in the British Newspapers Archive) but are found in the Newham Local Archives – but could also not have been reported as LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS
World War Two Sayings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_lips_sink_ships
Stratford & Newham Express
https://www.britishpapers.co.uk/england-london/stratford-newham-express/
https://help-and-advice.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/forums/243704-newspapers-we-should-add-next/suggestions/10090107-stratford-express
Newham Local Archives
https://www.newham.gov.uk/Pages/Services/Local-history-and-archives.aspx
Its next to Chelsea football club 👍
Its a hotel now Tania
Thank you!
Hi there Can anyone remember a little prep school called Heathfield House Preparatory School on the corner of Munster Road and Hestercombe Avenue in Fulham. The headmistress was Miss James and
I was there from 1949 to 1955…anyone else there at that time? My name then was Janet Passman.
Please could you tell me anything about Stamford House, 428 Fulham Road? Does it still exist? Thank you.
Hello Tania
428 Fulham Road still exists, part of La Reserve Hotel, 428 being associated with Howard Carter, Egyptologist.
LA RESERVE HOTEL
http://www.la-reservehotel.co.uk/hotel-directions/
422-428 Fulham Road
Four houses have been converted to make one hotel
1884 MORNING POST – TUESDAY 14 OCTOBER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000174/18841014/003/0008
422 Fulham Road
Morning or daily governess, a lady of experience teaches through English, fluent, music, drawing, and elementary German, moderate terms: address 422 Fulham Road
1887 WEST LONDON OBSERVER – SATURDAY 04 JUNE
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000437/18870604/011/0002
424 Fulham Road
Moore Park Grammar School, established 1880
1904 WEST LONDON OBSERVER – FRIDAY 08 JULY
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000437/19040708/011/0001
424 Fulham Road
Fulham Grammar School, established 24 years
1944 FULHAM CHRONICLE – FRIDAY 30 JUNE
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001984/19440630/001/0001
424 Fulham Road
WARDEN’S LOSS A native of Tuan. County Galway, Mrs. Celia Maria Gilbert died at her home at 424, Fulham-Road, after a long illness. She was the wife of Mr. Ernest George Gilbert, a well-known Fulham warden. He is the eldest son of the late Sir Alfred Gilbert, the designer of the famous Eros statue in Piccadilly Circus. Mrs. Gilbert was a relative of Mr. John McCormick. the famous singer. A requiem mass at St. Thomas’s Church, Rylston Road, preceded the interment at Fulham Cemetery. Sheen. Father Hanafin officiated. There were numerous floral tributes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCormack_(tenor)
John McCormick was the first artist to record the famous World War I song “It’s a Long Way to Tipperary” in 1914
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaftesbury_Memorial_Fountain
Shaftsbury Memorial Fountain/Eros
1891 ISLINGTON GAZETTE
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000438/18910513/090/0004
426 Fulham Road
A respectable young person wanted, as general servant about 18 from country preferred. Apply at The Hollies 426 Fulham Road
1892 NORFOLK CHRONICLE
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000244/18920507/109/0007
428 Fulham Road
Samuel John Carter, father of Howard Carter Egyptologist, died at Stamford House, 428 Fulham Road
HOWARD CARTER: THE PATH TO TUTANKHAMUN
428 Fulham Road
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AyK0_weGa20C&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=stamford+house+428+fulham+road&source=bl&ots=AWl4IQgdO1&sig=ACfU3U3rpRg-c8Sw3cc024Ut_R2kBTRuWA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjKsY6mg6XjAhUVUxUIHeXeA4wQ6AEwB3oECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=stamford%20house%20428%20fulham%20road&f=false
Howard Carter Egyptologist used Stamford House, 428 Fulham Road as a base
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Carter
Brothers William and Vernet and sister Amy Carter also lived at Stamford House, 428 Fulham Road
ENGLISH HERITAGE/BLUE PLAQUES SCHEME
https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/blue-plaques/propose-a-plaque/
Thank you Lorraine for such a detailed reply, very helpful information, really appreciate that you took the time to find this for me.
Best wishes
Tania
Pleasure Tania – it’s amazing what you can ‘dig’ up!
The hotel manager is an absolute delight, I don’t know what you need the information for but have also sent onto him as he explained about the four houses making up the hotel, maybe contact him also?
It’s to do with my research on Howard Carter, I’m going to see if I can find some old photos of the are. Would you know of any books about Fulham or Kensington that would be useful pictorial resources?
Hello Tania, sorry can’t help you there, don’t live in the area just interested in the area.
Hi Tania
Sorry can’t help there ask the library
I am trying to track down a copy of a transcript of Inscriptions made of gravestones in St Paul’s Church, I’m not quite sure of the date this work was done, sometime before the new extension was built. I have used the one in the LBHF archives dating from 1882. I am undertaking research into individuals buried in St Paul’s churchyard between 1828-1854 so any interesting information about Hammersmith at this time would be welcome. There doesn’t seem to have been a local paper at this time.
The Parish registers of St Paul Hammersmith from 1664 -1972 should be available at archives. They have been indexed upto 1837. yes the West London Observer only starts in 1855, so before that you may find some references in London wide publications e.g. Illustrated London news.
I have ancestor’s photos, but no name or age. The photographers were H. Baker 263 Fulham Road, Brompton, and
Gwyn Collier 223 Fulham Road S. W.
I would be very grateful to find out how long these photographers were in the area. It would help with identification, perhaps.
Regards
You would need to check a back file of Kellys Post office london directories. In fact the two premises would be in Kensington and Chelsea,so their local history depts may have more detail anyway about the firm
I am interested if anyone can help me regarding any information about a Marion
Shields /Lothian a Scottish tfemale pianist who played boogie -woogie piano in the 1950’s.
She was my late mother and had connections with the Phil Green Orchestra and Radio Scotland.
Hello Johnny
Sorry nothing on your mother. Maybe she is credited on the recordings?
Phil Green Orchestra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Green_(composer)
http://www.45cat.com/artist/philip-green-and-his-orchestra
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/philip_green
https://www.discogs.com/artist/1306546-Philip-Green-And-His-Orchestra
Can only suggest contacting Radio Scotland Archives and asking if they have your mother playing/credited?
Hello Inga
CHARLES COLLIER PORTRAITS
Thomas Howe & Prince Safihea/Captain Pritchard
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw159893/Thomas-Howe-Prince-Safihea-Captain-Pritchard?LinkID=mp96892&role=sit&rNo=0
Boy With Crutches
http://www.19thcenturyphotos.com/Boy-with-crutches-122186.htm
Woman Sitting
http://www.maartjedenie.nl/verzameling%20005%20CDV%2002%20-%2003%20clothes%20the%20dress%2002.html
Portrait Of Two Women
https://www.nationalgalleries.org/art-and-artists/126459/portrait-two-women
1859 NEWSPAPER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000441/18591022/036/0004
NOTICE OF REMOVAL
Mr. GWYN COLLIER, Photographer, RESPECTFULLY announces that he has removed from the King’s Road. to Pelham Nursery, opposite Pelham-Crescent, Fulham-Road
No connection with any other house
1861 CENSUS
Gwyn Collier, living in Chelsea
Artist In Photography
1862 MARRIAGE
Charles William Gwyn Collier, Photographer
Father John Collier Gentleman
1867 NEWSPAPER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001427/18670404/008/0001
GENUINE TURN-OUT (a Bargain).—Well- bred BROWN MARE, six years old, hand?, wonderfully fast, with good action, and requires no whip-perfectly sound— DOG CART PHAETON in good condition, handsome lamps, &c, nearly new harness, saddle and bridle—together or separate. to Mr. Gwyn Collier, 223 Fulham-Road
1869 NEWSPAPER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001000/18690825/033/0002
MONKEY cheap female wanted or other small foreign animal
G C 223 Fulham Road Brompton
Pet or photographic prop
1871 NEWSPAPER
General servant wanted, about 20 from the country preferred, an easy place, 223 Fulham Road, opposite Consumption Hospital
1871 NEWSPAPER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001112/18710107/052/0008
PHOTOGRAPHIC PREMISES at Brompton near New Exhibition Ten rooms with studio at low rent
Lease to be sold through a death
Established fifteen years G C 223 Fulham Road
1881 CENSUS
Charles W G Collier, living in Lambeth
Artist In Photography
1891 CENSUS
Gwyn Collier, living in Chiswick
Photographer
1901 CENSUS
Charles Collier, living in Fulham
Photographer
1903 DEATH
Charles Collier, died in Fulham
Born 1836
BURKES FAMILY RECORDS
COLLIER FROM PAGE 171
Name: Charles William Gwyn
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 5 Mar 1835
Father: William George
Mother: Mary Ann
CHRISTINA COLLIER (GYWN) GREAT-GRANDMOTHER
MARRIED TO GEORGE COLLIER
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw147972/Christiana-Collier-ne-Gwyn?LinkID=mp51023&role=sit&rNo=0
GEORGE COLLIER GREAT-GRANDDAD
MARRIED TO CHRISTINA COLLIER
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Collier
Divorced his wife and married again
Maybe Gwyn called his father John when he married so family could not be connected to divorce (and used his other names)
TAKEN FROM LIFE
THE UNSETTLING ART OF DEATH IN PHOTOGRAPHY
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36389581
Hello Inga
Could find no evidence of a H Baker working/living at 263 Fulham Road
1861-1871
I believe H Baker could have been a photographer at 263 Fulham Road between these dates
1871 CENSUS
Edward Bawden is a shop assistant for a jeweler, perhaps a watch maker, goes on to work at 263 Fulham Road between 1881 and 1891
1871-1881
I believe H Baker could have been a photographer at 263 Fulham Road between these dates
1881 CENSUS
Philip Henry Baker living in Chelsea, photographer
1881 CENSUS
Edward Bawden, watchmaker is living at 263 Fulham Road
1891 CENSUS
Edward Bawden, watchmaker is living at 263 Fulham Road
1891 CENSUS
Philip H Baker, living in Fulham
Auxillary Postman & Photographer
1901 CENSUS
Edward Bawden, watchmaker living in Hornsey
H Baker could have been a photographer at 263 Fulham Road
1898 WESTMINSTER RATE BOOKS
Ernest H Baker, 169 Regent Street
Eastman Photographic Materials Coy Ltd
1901 CENSUS
Harold Baker, boarding at St Giles, photographer
1911 CENSUS
Edward Bawden, watchmaker living in Islington
H Baker could have been a photographer at 263 Fulham Road
1911 CENSUS
Harry Baker living in Kingston On Thames
Photographer
1911 CENSUS
Richard Henry Stranger Baker living in Fulham
Photographic Dealers Assistant
COLLIER PHOTOGRAPHS
Thomas Howe & Prince Safihea
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw159893/Thomas-Howe-Prince-Safihea-Captain-Pritchard?LinkID=mp105055&role=art&rNo=0
Woman Sitting
http://www.maartjedenie.nl/verzameling%20005%20CDV%2002%20-%2003%20clothes%20the%20dress%2002.html
Boy With Crutches
http://www.19thcenturyphotos.com/Boy-with-crutches-122186.htm
Portrait Of Two Women
https://www.nationalgalleries.org/art-and-artists/126459/portrait-two-women
1861 CENSUS
Gwyn Collier, photographer
Living in Chelsea
1862 MARRIAGE
Charles William Gwyn Collier, photographer
Marries in Fulham to
Harriet Walker
Father John Collier
Charles’ father’s name is William George, did he use John so the congregation are unaware of his great-grandparents George Collier’s & Christina Collier’s divorce
1859 WEST MIDDLESEX ADVERTISER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000441/18591008/032/0004
NOTICE OF REMOVAL. Mr. GWYN COLLIER, Photographer, RESPECTFULLY announces that he has removed from the King’s-Rd. to Pelham Nursery, opposite Pelham-Crescent, Fulham Road. No connexion with any other house.
1867 MORNING ADVERTISER
GENUINE TURN-OUT (a Bargain)—Well- bred BROWN MARE, six years old, wonderfully fast, with good action, and requires no whip-perfectly sound— DOG-CART PHAETON in good condition, handsome lamps, nearly new harness, saddle and bridle—together or separate. to Mr. Gwyn Collier, 223 Fulham-Road.
1869 CLERKENWELL NEWS
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001000/18690825/033/0002
MONKEY (cheap female) wanted, or other small foreign animal. G. C. 223, Fulham-Road. Brompton.
Pet or photographic prop
1870 POST OFFICE DIRECTORY
Name: Gwyn Collier
Residence Date: 1870
Street address: 162 Kings Road, Chelsea SW & 223 Fulham Road SW
Residence Place: London
Occupation: Photographic Artists
1871 DAILY TELEGRAPH & COURIER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001112/18710107/052/0008
PHOTOGRAPHIC PREMISES Brompton, Near New Exhibition. Ten rooms, with studio, at low rent. Lease sold through a death. Established fifteen years – G C,223, Fulham Road.
1871 CLERKENWELL NEWS
GENERAL Servant wanted, about 20; from the country preferred; easy place. 223, Fulham-Road opposite Consumption Hospital.
1871 CENSUS
Unable to find
1881 CENSUS
Charles W G Collier, photographer
Living in Lambeth
1891 CENSUS
Gwyn Collier, photographer
Living in Chiswick
1901 CENSUS
Charles Collier, photographer
Living in Fulham
1903 DEATH
Charles Collier
Died Fulham
1903 BURIAL
Gwyn Collier
Buried Kensington
BURKES FAMILY RECORDS
COLLIER FAMILY
Page 174
Charles William Gwyn Collier’s great-grandfather George Collier divorced his first wife Christina Collier
Name: Charles William Gwyn
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 5 Mar 1835
Father: William George
Mother: Mary Ann
GREAT-GRANDMOTHER
CHRISTINA COLLIER, MAIDEN NAME GWYN
MARRIED TO GEORGE COLLIER
Christina was divorced by George
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw147972/Christiana-Collier-ne-Gwyn?LinkID=mp51023&role=sit&rNo=0
GREAT-GRANDFATHER
GEORGE COLLIER
MARRIED TO CHRISTINA COLLIER
George divorced Christina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Collier
Did you get my previous similar post, having problems
COLLIER PHOTOGRAPHS
Thomas Howe & Prince Safihea
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw159893/Thomas-Howe-Prince-Safihea-Captain-Pritchard?LinkID=mp105055&role=art&rNo=0
Woman Sitting
http://www.maartjedenie.nl/verzameling%20005%20CDV%2002%20-%2003%20clothes%20the%20dress%2002.html
Boy With Crutches
http://www.19thcenturyphotos.com/Boy-with-crutches-122186.htm
Portrait Of Two Women
https://www.nationalgalleries.org/art-and-artists/126459/portrait-two-women
1861 CENSUS
Gwyn Collier, photographer
Living in Chelsea
1862 MARRIAGE
Charles William Gwyn Collier, photographer
Marries in Fulham to
Harriet Walker
Father John Collier
Charles’ father’s name is William George, did he use John so the congregation are unaware of his great-grandparents George Collier’s & Christina Collier’s divorce
1859 WEST MIDDLESEX ADVERTISER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000441/18591008/032/0004
NOTICE OF REMOVAL. Mr. GWYN COLLIER, Photographer, RESPECTFULLY announces that he has removed from the King’s-Rd. to Pelham Nursery, opposite Pelham-Crescent, Fulham Road. No connexion with any other house.
1867 MORNING ADVERTISER
GENUINE TURN-OUT (a Bargain)—Well- bred BROWN MARE, six years old, wonderfully fast, with good action, and requires no whip-perfectly sound— DOG-CART PHAETON in good condition, handsome lamps, nearly new harness, saddle and bridle—together or separate. to Mr. Gwyn Collier, 223 Fulham-Road.
1869 CLERKENWELL NEWS
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001000/18690825/033/0002
MONKEY (cheap female) wanted, or other small foreign animal. G. C. 223, Fulham-Road. Brompton.
Pet or photographic prop
1870 POST OFFICE DIRECTORY
Name: Gwyn Collier
Residence Date: 1870
Street address: 162 Kings Road, Chelsea SW & 223 Fulham Road SW
Residence Place: London
Occupation: Photographic Artists
1871 DAILY TELEGRAPH & COURIER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001112/18710107/052/0008
PHOTOGRAPHIC PREMISES Brompton, Near New Exhibition. Ten rooms, with studio, at low rent. Lease sold through a death. Established fifteen years – G C,223, Fulham Road.
1871 CLERKENWELL NEWS
GENERAL Servant wanted, about 20; from the country preferred; easy place. 223, Fulham-Road opposite Consumption Hospital.
1871 CENSUS
Unable to find
1881 CENSUS
Charles W G Collier, photographer
Living in Lambeth
1891 CENSUS
Gwyn Collier, photographer
Living in Chiswick
1901 CENSUS
Charles Collier, photographer
Living in Fulham
1903 DEATH
Charles Collier
Died Fulham
1903 BURIAL
Gwyn Collier
Buried Kensington
BURKES FAMILY RECORDS
COLLIER FAMILY
Page 174
Charles William Gwyn Collier’s great-grandfather George Collier divorced his first wife Christina Collier
Name: Charles William Gwyn
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 5 Mar 1835
Father: William George
Mother: Mary Ann
GREAT-GRANDMOTHER
CHRISTINA COLLIER, MAIDEN NAME GWYN
MARRIED TO GEORGE COLLIER
Christina was divorced by George
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw147972/Christiana-Collier-ne-Gwyn?LinkID=mp51023&role=sit&rNo=0
GREAT-GRANDFATHER
GEORGE COLLIER
MARRIED TO CHRISTINA COLLIER
George divorced Christina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Collier
Hello Inga
CHARLES COLLIER PORTRAITS
Thomas Howe & Prince Safihea/Captain Pritchard
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw159893/Thomas-Howe-Prince-Safihea-Captain-Pritchard?LinkID=mp96892&role=sit&rNo=0
Boy With Crutches
http://www.19thcenturyphotos.com/Boy-with-crutches-122186.htm
Woman Sitting
http://www.maartjedenie.nl/verzameling%20005%20CDV%2002%20-%2003%20clothes%20the%20dress%2002.html
Portrait Of Two Women
https://www.nationalgalleries.org/art-and-artists/126459/portrait-two-women
1859 NEWSPAPER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000441/18591022/036/0004
NOTICE OF REMOVAL
Mr. GWYN COLLIER, Photographer, RESPECTFULLY announces that he has removed from the King’s Road. to Pelham Nursery, opposite Pelham-Crescent, Fulham-Road
No connection with any other house
1861 CENSUS
Gwyn Collier, living in Chelsea
Artist In Photography
1862 MARRIAGE
Charles William Gwyn Collier, Photographer
Father John Collier Gentleman
1867 NEWSPAPER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001427/18670404/008/0001
GENUINE TURN-OUT (a Bargain).—Well- bred BROWN MARE, six years old, hand?, wonderfully fast, with good action, and requires no whip-perfectly sound— DOG CART PHAETON in good condition, handsome lamps, &c, nearly new harness, saddle and bridle—together or separate. to Mr. Gwyn Collier, 223 Fulham-Road
1869 NEWSPAPER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001000/18690825/033/0002
MONKEY cheap female wanted or other small foreign animal
G C 223 Fulham Road Brompton
Pet or photographic prop
1871 NEWSPAPER
General servant wanted, about 20 from the country preferred, an easy place, 223 Fulham Road, opposite Consumption Hospital
1871 NEWSPAPER
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001112/18710107/052/0008
PHOTOGRAPHIC PREMISES at Brompton near New Exhibition Ten rooms with studio at low rent
Lease to be sold through a death
Established fifteen years G C 223 Fulham Road
1881 CENSUS
Charles W G Collier, living in Lambeth
Artist In Photography
1891 CENSUS
Gwyn Collier, living in Chiswick
Photographer
1901 CENSUS
Charles Collier, living in Fulham
Photographer
1903 DEATH
Charles Collier, died in Fulham
Born 1836
BURKES FAMILY RECORDS
COLLIER FROM PAGE 171
Name: Charles William Gwyn
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 5 Mar 1835
Father: William George
Mother: Mary Ann
CHRISTINA COLLIER (GYWN) GREAT-GRANDMOTHER
MARRIED TO GEORGE COLLIER
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw147972/Christiana-Collier-ne-Gwyn?LinkID=mp51023&role=sit&rNo=0
GEORGE COLLIER GREAT-GRANDDAD
MARRIED TO CHRISTINA COLLIER
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Collier
Divorced his wife and married again
Maybe Gwyn called his father John when he married so family could not be connected to divorce (and used his other names)
TAKEN FROM LIFE
THE UNSETTLING ART OF DEATH IN PHOTOGRAPHY
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36389581
Does anyone know of a dairy in Goldhawk Road, near the tube station, that closed in the 1970s or 1980s and was replaced by an American-themed pizza restaurant?
Hi,
I am trying to find out the parents of my great grandfather, James Wilson Stanton born 1873. The 1881 census shows him in the Union Workhouse, Hemingford Grey, Cambridgeshire and his birthplace is given as Swavesey, Cambridgeshire. However, I cannot find a record of his birth there. One candidate for his mother s Rachael (Racheal on the census) Stanton born 1846 and she appears to have been an inmate of the Asylum of the Good Shepherd in Fulham in 1861 (too early for James, but could be a sibling). Do you have access to records of children born there? I would also be interested in any photos or drawings of the building. Thank you in advance,
Bev
On the right-hand side of the Fulham Road, which branches off from Queen Street opposite the parish church, stands a large group of brick buildings, designed by Pugin, and known as the Convent of the Good Shepherd and the Asylum for Penitent Women. The site was formerly occupied by Beauchamp Lodge. This charity was commenced in 1841 by some ladies of the Order of the Good Shepherd, who came from Angers, in France, to carry on the work of the reformation of female penitents under the auspices of Dr. Griffiths, then “Vicar-Apostolic of the London District.
A thesis has been written in 1985 and this link is to the first 5 chapters; the rest together with resources would be available from Brunel UnivCleanliness and Godliness: A sociological study of the Good …
https://bura.brunel.ac.uk/bitstream/2438/4976/4/FulltextThesis_Chapters_1-5.pdf
Hi Bev
1846 BIRTH
Is Rachel the mother of James Wilson Stanton (please confirm?)
Name: Rachel Stanton
Registration Year: 1846
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Chesterton
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 14
Page: 55
1861 CENSUS
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/list/MH8.shtml
Asylum Of The Good Shepherd in Fulham for fallen women, Rachel would be 15 by now
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/MH/
Rachael Stanton, born 1846, (born Cambridgeshire please confirm?)
PLEASE GIVE MORE INFORMATION HOW TO CALL HER UP ON THE 1861 CENSUS AS CANNOT TRACE ON ANCESTRY OR FINDMYPAST THANK YOU
1881 CENSUS
Name: James Stanton
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Inmate
Where born: Swavesey, Cambridgeshire
Civil Parish: Hemingford Grey
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Street address: Union Work House
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: St Ives
1894 MARRIAGE
Is James illegitimate, orphaned or abandoned very young as he doesn’t know his father. If James is illegitimate then Wilson could be James’s father’s middle name. If Rachel is James’ mother did she return from Fulham to Cambridgeshire after her ‘punishment’ in the asylum for fallen women, only to become pregnant later in 1873 outside of marriage with James?
Name: James Wilson Stanton
Age: 20
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1874
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1894
Marriage Place: Kettering, St Peter and St Paul, Northamptonshire, England
Spouse: Minnie Beatrice Fleming
1846 BIRTH
Is Rachel the mother of James Wilson Stanton (please confirm?)
Name: Rachel Stanton
Registration Year: 1846
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Chesterton
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 14
Page: 55
1861 CENSUS
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/list/MH8.shtml
Asylum Of The Good Shepherd in Fulham for fallen women, Rachel would be 15 by now
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/MH/
Rachael Stanton, born 1846, born Cambridgeshire (please confirm?)
PLEASE GIVE MORE INFORMATION HOW TO CALL HER UP ON THE 1861 CENSUS AS CANNOT TRACE ON ANCESTRY OR FINDMYPAST THANK YOU
1881 CENSUS
Name: James Stanton
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Inmate
Where born: Swavesey, Cambridgeshire
Civil Parish: Hemingford Grey
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Street address: Union Work House
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: St Ives
1894 MARRIAGE
Is James illegitimate, orphaned or abandoned very young as he doesn’t know his father. If James is illegitimate then Wilson could be James’s father’s middle name. If Rachel is James’ mother did she return from Fulham to Cambridgeshire after her ‘punishment’ in the asylum for fallen women, only to become pregnant later in 1873 outside of marriage with James?
Name: James Wilson Stanton
Age: 20
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1874
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1894
Marriage Place: Kettering, St Peter and St Paul, Northamptonshire, England
Spouse: Minie Beatrice Fleming
Hello my Dad Jim Scribens recently passed away and I’m trying to retrace his footsteps . He grew up in the worlds end Chelsea. He worked in Barbers North end road and lived in Empirus Road for a while. Later he lived in Kenyon Street off Fulham palace road with a women called Teresa Adams. He was also a green grocer by trade he worked in the Clive the veg shop. Does anybody remember my Dad? I would love to find out more. Thanks Charlotte
Hello. I’m after some help with family research if anyone can help. My Great Grandfather grew up at Parsons Green between 1850-1865 (approx), and lived alongside ‘Bevans Inn’ and apparently directly opposite the green. He was raised by his aunt who was a widow (surname Wright – maiden name de Courcy). Does anyone know where ‘Bevans Inn’ may have been? or which schools were in the direct area in 1855-1865? After two decades of extensive searching through census, birth, marriage and death records etc. we’ve never been able to find any record of him, his aunt, his parents or any member of my family. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hello Ben
I’ve found the inn!
DUKES HEAD
https://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/Fulham/DukesHead.shtml
1861 CENSUS
Place: Dukes Head, Pitt Place
Name: John J Bevan
Estimated birth year: 1827
Father: John Jacob Bevan born 1799, died 1847
Mother: Ann Bristow Bevan, born 1799, died 1835
Spouse’s name: Mary Bevan married 1849 Whitechapel, maiden name Lagerbury
Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Fulham
1871 CENSUS
Place: Dukes Head, Pitts Place
Name: John Jacob Bevan
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Where Born: Stepney
Spouse: Mary Bevan
Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Fulham
1887 LONDON ELECTORAL REGISTER
Name: John Jacob Bevan
Year: 1887
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Street address: The Dukes Head, Pitt Place
Can you give your parents names, births
Can you give your grandparents names, births
To help going back to your great-grandfather
What information have you found?
BIRTHS
MARRIAGES
DEATHS
1911 CENSUS
1901 CENSUS
1891 CENSUS
1881 CENSUS
1871 CENSUS
1861 CENSUS
1851 CENSUS
1841 CENSUS
OTHER INFORMATION
What is the full name of your great-grandfather (and if known birth date, where born, marriage, children. occupation, death)
What is the full name of his Aunt Wright, maiden name de Courcy (and if known birth date, where born, marriage, her husband’s name, children, occupation, death)
Where have you got the information that your great-grandfather and his aunt lived at Parsons Green alongside Bevans Inn?
Bevans Inn is The Duke’s Head.
Sorry far too little information for any further help at the moment without fuller information.
Hello Ben
I’ve found her!
1831 BAPTISM
Elizabeth Courcy, Norfolk, Rollesby
Father Thomas
Mother Eliza
184#/185#/186# MARRIAGE
Unable to find marriage to husband Mr Wright
Could be a common law marriage
1854 THE ERA
TRANSFER OF LICENSES
Kensington 25 September
Duke’s Head, Parson’s Green, Richard Robert Gains to John Jacob Bevans
1861 CENSUS
Name: Elizabeth E Wright (maiden name Courcy)
Estimated birth year: 1831
Relation: Widow
Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England
Occupation: Proprietor Of House
Address: 2 Pitt Place, next to Dukes Head at 1 Pitt Place
Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Fulham
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth A Bell 18 Niece Milliner
Eliza Fisher 20 Servant
FULHAM OLD AND NEW
PITTS PLACE NO.1 DUKES HEAD
PITTS PLACE NO.2 ELIZABETH WRIGHT
https://archive.org/stream/b29010433_0002/b29010433_0002_djvu.txt
Strictly speaking, the name Pitt or Pitt’s Place, now numbered with the Pitt or Pitt’s houses in the New King’s Road, was applied to the terrace of old-fashioned Place houses — six in number — standing between Arragon House and Peterborough
Road, namely Belgrave House (No. 6), Sefton House (No. 5), Cradley House (No. 4), Albyn House (No. 3), its nameless neighbour (No. 2), and the corner house, now the
Duke’s Head (No. 1). Sometimes, however, Arragon House and Gosford Lodge were regarded as included under the designation.
The six houses comprising Pitt Place are somewhat older than Arragon House, having been built about 1795. No. 1, Pitt Place, at the north-west corner of Peterborough Road, is now the “ Duke’s Head,” rebuilt in 1893. The original house did not face the
Green, but stood a little way down Peterborough Lane, at the rear of the present house. The original house, which, for convenience sake, we will speak of here, was an old inn, known as the “ Pond Head Ale House,” from the fact that it faced the pond on Parson’s Green. The first we hear of it is in 1714, when Hicks Burroughs sold to Sir Robert Child certain property at Parson’s Green, including “ one cottage known by the sign of the ‘ Pond-
head Alehouse,”’ then in the occupation of John Paine. On the death of Sir Robert the “ Pondhead Alehouse ” went to his brother, Samuel. The sign was changed to the “ Duke’s
Head,” probably about 1802, when the “ Duke’s Head,” near the Laurel Bank House was pulled down. It was a riotous house, frequented chiefly by the gardeners from Rench’s and
Fitch’s nursery. Early in this century a terrible fight occurred at this house, resulting in the deaths of four men. The transfer of the “ Duke’s Head ” from its old premises to its present position took
place on the death of Dr. James Humphrey Keats, which occurred at No. 1, Pitt Place in 1861. Dr. Keats resided at Parson’s Green nearly all his life, the first appearance of his name in the
Rate books being in 1819. Keats was a remarkable character. He used to visit his patients habited in a long, shabby, dark green frock coat with prominent brass buttons. There used to
be a saying in Fulham, in reference to thread-bare clothes, that a person wore Dr. Keats’s livery. Despite his apparent poverty, he used to keep a pack of harriers, which might often have been seen on Parson’s Green, Eelbrook, Wimbledon Common. The houses in Pitt Place, Nos. 1 to 6, are now renumbered 235 to 245 (alternate numbers), New King’s Road.
Hello Ben
I think this may be your missing great-grandfather. Can you let me know please, or if another nephew.
If your great-grandfather, please thank the person in the Rootschat thread below, I have already on our behalf.
1851 CENSUS
Name Elizabeth Wright
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Fulham
Household Members:
William Hudson Bell 10 Nephew
Elizabeth Fitzpatrick 26
Rootschat Thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=814672.new#new
Hello Ben
1841 CENSUS
Samuel Wright husband of Elizabeth Wright – have a middle name of William to be Eliza Adams wedding witness or Samuel’s brother
Name: Elizabeth Wright
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Where born: Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Shelfanger
Hundred: Diss
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Guiltcross
Sub-registration district: Banham
Household Members: Name
Samuel Wright 29
Elizabeth Wright 24
1850 DEATH
Husband of Elizabeth Wright
Name: Samuel Wright
Registration Year: 1850
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Erpingham
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 13
Page: 79
1850 BURIAL
Husband of Elizabeth Wright
Name: Samuel Wright
Death Age: 38
Record Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1850
Burial Date: 9 Apr 1850
Burial Place: Glanford, Norfolk, England
Parish as it Appears: Glandford
Hello Ben
Please discount Samuel Wright post – Samuel and Elizabeth alive and well together in 1871
Hello Ben
One of the nephews will be your great-grandfather
1841 CENUS
Bell family
Elizabeth Wright’s nephew
One of the nephews will be Ben’s great-grandfather
Name: Thomas Bell
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Civil Parish: Hendon
Hundred: Gore
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Hendon
Household Members: Name:
Thomas Bell 30
Eliza Bell 24
William Bell 1
1851 CENSUS
Bell family
Elizabeth Wright’s nieces and nephews
One of the nephews will be Ben’s great-grandfather
Name: Thomas Bell
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1807
Spouse’s name: Eliza Bell
Where born: Lynn Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Hendon
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Hendon
Household Members: Name
Thomas Bell 44
Eliza Bell 33
Elizabeth Bell 9
Thomas Bell 7
George Bell 6
Henry Bell 4
Emily Bell 9 Mo
1844 BAPTISM
Named after Wright Godparent
Name: George Wright Bell
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Dec 1844
Baptism Place: Hampstead St John, Camden, England
Father: Thomas Hudson Bell
Mother: Eliza Bell
Register Type: Parish Registers
Hi Ben
Please can you still send:-
Mother and father details:
Grandparents details:
to go back to the Bell family – one of the nephews stayed with Widow Elizabeth Wright who lived next to the Dukes Head run by John Bevan or known as ‘Bevans Inn’. The nephew who stayed in the census might not be your great-grandfather, it could be one of the other nephews who stayed in between the censuses.
Did your family call the pub ‘Bevans Inn’ or was that a local name for the pub?
Hello Ben
One more nephew born after his father’s death
1851 DEATH
FATHER OF NEPHEWS
Name: Thomas Bell
Registration Year: 1851
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3
Page: 179
1851 BURIAL
FATHER OF NEPHEWS
Name: Thomas Bell
Age: 44
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1807
Death Date: abt 1851
Burial Date: 23 Oct 1851
Burial Place: St Mary, Hendon, Barnet, England
Register Type: Parish Register
1852 BIRTH / BEN POSSIBLE GREAT-GRANDFATHER
Elizabeth Wright Nephew
Name: Frederick Alfred Bell
Registration Year: 1852
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 83
These have been found on Rootschat
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=814672.new#new
Your missing family are found
1841 CENSUS
Name: William Wright
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town
Household Members:
Elizabeth Wright 28 born out of county
Mary Bell 60 born out of county
Elizabeth Reynolds 23
1849 WILL
William Wright, husband of Elizabeth Wright
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D135789
Will of William Wright, Gentleman of Fulham, Middlesex, 12 December 1849
Will of William Wright of 2 Pitts Place Parsons Green Fulham, 1849
1867 PROBATE
Probate of Elizabeth Emma Wright of Parsons Green, 1867
One of the executors is William Hudson Bell, Inspector of Police
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=wright&yearOfDeath=1867&page=6#calendar
Will need to keep an eye on this thread and Rootschat thread, or post a comment on there
Hi Ben
We would like to know which builder built our terrace of houses in Novello Street Parsons Green. Previously known as Crown street. could it have been Norris and Allen?
My great grandfather was a master signwriter who lived in Fulham for most of his life (he died in 1942). My Dad told me he painted the costermongers’ barrows in the market and was a well known character locally. Are there any books you can recommend that might have pictures of the market in the 1900s-1930s? Apparently, he also painted the scenery for the Wild West Show when it came to Earls Court! His name was John Byrnes.
Grateful for any suggestions for further reading!
Nicola Byrnes
I think you might find the http://www.ArthurLloyd.co.uk theatre website of interest. It says the Empress Hall at Earls Court was closed in 1915 for other purposes, only reopening in the 1930’s
An interesting website, thank you. I don’t think the Wild West Show was at the Empress Hall though.
Hello Nicola
Hope you find these interesting.
We have no evidence of our theatrical relatives who lived in the Fulham/Chelsea/Kensington areas in the 1890’s performing in the Wild West Shows or in Barnum’s Circus – BUT our relative Ruth Thrasher/Ruth Jezard/Ruby Jezard later married to Albert Edward Court Chief Of Staff at the London Coliseum in 1905, performed with Jessie Almer who had been a clown for the Barnum’s Circus (researched on Who Do You Think You Are) but it is highly likely they performed in the Wild West Shows and in Barnum’s Circus. Being a widow Priscilla and her daughters were dressmakers and became rich enough to buy 133 Finborough Road, Kensington in the 1890s possibly by making theatrical costumes and fancy dress costumes for the aristocracy who had many expensive themed balls.
Albert and Ruby lived in Lillie Road, Fulham in the 1901 census and Albert is listed as a secretary (we think secretary at the Empress Theatre, Lillie Road). Ruby/Ruth Jezard had performed in the lavish 1898 and 1899 pantomimes at the Drury Lane Theatre.
The scenery must have been spectacular at these shows and the Wild West Shows!
Perhaps the National Fairground and Circus Archive could give you more information about your relative and his theatrical painting work.
Wild West
https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/nfca/researchandarticles/buffalobill
Who Do You Think You Are Jessie Almer
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/forum/topic12104.html
Who Do You Think You Are Buffalo Bill
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03btlgt
Buffalo Bill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bill
Wild West
https://www.thehistorypress.co.uk/articles/buffalo-bill-s-british-wild-west/
Wild West
https://www.olympiaauctions.com/about-us/press-and-blogs/blog-the-olympia-exhibition-centre-a-history-by-john-culme/
Wild West
http://library.centerofthewest.org/cdm/ref/collection/BBOA/id/9377
Wild West
https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/london-metropolitan-archives/the-collections/Pages/earls-court-and-olympia.aspx
Wild West
https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2004665264/
Wild West
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_West_shows
Lorraine, thanks so much for the information!
John’s wife, Margaret Byrnes (nee Bishop) was a ‘showgirl’ according to my Nan, her daughter-in-law, who strongly disapproved of her in-laws, but I have no idea whether she used her real name in the halls/ theatres. I doubt she took part in the Wild West Show; my grandfather, their son, told stories of living with a dwarf troupe when he was a child, whilst his father was doing the scenery. A fascinating area of study.
My pleasure, what a fascinating family, what a fascinating area in Victorian and Edwardian times, the imagination used for their beautiful spectacles – and we have instead the O2 Millennium Dome
Victoria & Albert Museum, Theatre & Performance Collections could have more on your family or generally what they would have been doing in the theatrical world
https://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/theatre-performance
British Newspaper Archive – Wild West Show
Lots of articles
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=%22wild%20west%20show%22&phrasesearch=wild%20west%20show&retrievecountrycounts=false&sortorder=score
Hello FHHS
I left two messages for Nicola Byrnes yesterday
The second shorter message I can see
The first longer message I cannot see but it had been approved earlier, there was alot of research in that reply, please can you let me know what is happening.
Thank you
Good evening.
My grandfather Charles David Henwood age 10 is resident at 156 Lillie Road Fulham in 1901.
I believe this was an orphanage. His father died in 1900 and his mother went to America with her new husband, leaving her children behind.
I was told this was a Spurgeon’s Home but they have no record of him.
He always donated to Barnado’s so maybe it was a Barnardo’s home?
Would you have any information, or point me in the right direction
Hello Chris
Home for Orphan and Fatherless Boys setup by Evangalist Sydney Black and Matron, Mrs Stickland works for him as found in the 1901 census with your grandfather
http://www.moellerhaus.com/Rotherham/black04.htm
To one of such warm compassion and benevolent impulsiveness as Sydney Black, this story was overwhelming, and he there and then decided to devote himself to looking after the children of the poor, and well and nobly did he do so. A few rooms at the top of “Twynholm House” were set aside for this work, but the number who needed help and home were so numerous that it was found necessary to take a house to be used solely for the accommodation of the boys. For the purpose a place was secured at 156, Lillie Road, a few hundred yards away from “Twynholm,” and there for some years the Home was located until it proved to be too small.
In all, about £1,400 was expended on the new Home, and in it this splendid work is still carried on, under the devoted care of the present Matron, Mrs. Stickland.
He sent Dr. Barnardo, He sent Benjamin Waugh, the man of whose death we have heard today; and He sent Sydney Black; and I love to think of him as God’s messenger. It is a work which is most precious to men, as well as dear to God. What does it do? It saves the wreckage of society. It saves the wastage of that most precious treasure the world has – child life. There is no asset the nation possesses which is so real and intrinsically valuable as its child population; and here is a hand stretched out to save those who would otherwise be lost.
Sydney Black Preacher & Social Reformer
http://www.moellerhaus.com/Rotherham/blackidx.htm
Any profit that may be derived from the sale of the book will be devoted to the work of the Twynholm Orphanage.
http://london.openguides.org/wiki/?Twynholm_Baptist_Church
Twynholm Baptist Church is a medium sized evangelical church in Fulham. It was originally built as a gin house but for some reason never got a license so was bought up and turned into an orphanage and then a church.
https://www.cte.org.uk/Publisher/File.aspx?ID=176110
He (Sydney Black) also founded the Twynholm Orphanages which were later merged with Spurgeon’s
Orphanage.
https://www.spurgeons.org/about-us/access-your-records-and-old-scholars/
Sorry thought I was getting somewhere then come across the same as you – Spurgeons!
Can only suggest to contact Spurgeons again showing that the orphanages merged and to also ask Fulham Local Archives for any information.
If anyone is aware of where Caldwell Villa used to be, somewhere by North End Road per the birth certificate from 1860, I would be very happy to know of a general area in Fulham. I can’t find Caldwell Villa listed any any old maps yet.Thanks, Catherine
Catherine, I haven’t found mention of Caldwell Villa yet but if you can let me know the name on the birth certificate I could take a look at the Censuses.
Hi Mark, My great uncle’s name was George Bevan. I have a copy of the 1861 census and the family is still at Caldwell Villa. The entry at the very top says North End Road, so maybe the family home was just a building along that road and won’t ever show up on an old map. By the 1871 census they had moved to Elm Stables. Thanks, Catherine
Catherine, I took a look at the 1861 Census and George Bevan shows on the original census document as aged 0 and living at Caldwells Villa but on the transcription on the website I use it has somehow been transcribed as Auckland Cottage, North End Road.
Scrolling on down the page of the original census shows that the next building along from Caldwells Villa was Acacia Cottage. An entry in Feret’s Fulham Old and New says of Acacia Cottage –
“The Garden entrance to the Earls Court Exhibition covers the site of Acacia Cottage and Garden Cottage, picturesque bits of old Fulham”.
The above piece appears in the book after a piece, including a photograph, about The Seven Stars public house (closed in 2010) which I know, (from personal experience of it) stood just past the junction of North End Road and Lillie Road, and not far from West Kensington Station.
My 1871 map of Fulham and Hammersmith shows a number of cottages and a couple of larger buildings (one being The Hermitage and the other unnamed but possibly the Cannon Brewery)) on this stretch of North End Road so I’d say Caldwells Villa was one of the villas (North End Villa being another) along the east side of North End Road somewhere between the junction with Lillie Road and the West Kensington Estate.
Thank you so much for this info. It certainly gives me a better idea as to where the family once lived. Catherine
I amattempting to find out more about what my Grandfather did during WW1 – he was a member of the Quaker Meeting and was living in Hammersmith in 1911. Is it possible that the quarterly meeting minutes still exist for 1914-18? and where might I find them? He was known by the family to be a Conscientious Objector and possible was involved with agriculture and/or the Friends Army
Jenny Dennis
Hello Jenny
I think these people will be the ones to ask:
http://www.hammersmithquakers.org.uk/about-us/our-history/
Members of the Society of Friends (better known as Quakers) have been living and worshipping in Hammersmith since 1658 when Hammersmith and Chiswick were farming villages. The Quakers had begun spreading their form of Christianity in the North of England a few years earlier. George Fox, the Quakers’ founder, taught that all men and women possess an inward light that can lead them to the Truth. People seeking God, he said, can follow this inner prompting and do not need church ministers – a view highly unpopular with religious authorities and the state.
http://www.hammersmithquakers.org.uk/about-us/our-history/
Members of the Society of Friends (better known as Quakers) have been living and worshipping in Hammersmith since 1658 when Hammersmith and Chiswick were farming villages. The Quakers had begun spreading their form of Christianity in the North of England a few years earlier. George Fox, the Quakers’ founder, taught that all men and women possess an inward light that can lead them to the Truth. People seeking God, he said, can follow this inner prompting and do not need church ministers – a view highly unpopular with religious authorities and the state.
Posts disappearing again
I am interested in the life and work of the commercial artist Reginald Heade, who lived at 11 Queen’s Mansions, Brook Green, Hammersmith from the mid-1940s until his death in 1957. Any information anyone has from local sources would be gratefully received!
Hello S J Walker
Why has probate taken two years and the estate went to the county treasurer and children’s officer
I believe commercial artist Reginald Cyril Webb Heade was illegitimate, perhaps Reginald wanted his legacy to be left to vulnerable children
1901 BIRTH
Name: Reginald Cyril Webb
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: West Ham
Mother’s Maiden Name: Webb
Inferred County: Essex
1911 CENSUS
Name: Reginald Cyril Heade
Age in 1911: 9
Relation to Head: Grandson
Birth Place: Forest Gate
Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Street address: 56 Leonard Road
Sub-registration district: Forest Gate
Household Members:
Ann Webb Mother 64
Florrie Webb Daughter 27
Annie Mary Heade ‘Widowed’ Daughter 31
Reginald Cyril Heade Grandson 9
1917 BAPTISM
Name: Reginald Cyril Webb Heade
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1901
Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1917
Baptism Place: Forest Gate, St Saviour, Essex
Father: James Heade traveller
Mother: Annie Mary Heade
There is no marriage for James and Annie
Why wait to be baptised age 15
1925 CITY DIRECTORY
Art Work
https://reviews-and-ramblings.dreamw…g/1043772.html
https://downthetubes.net/?p=36830
Name: Reginald Cyril Heade
Company: Petterson & Heade
Residence Place: London
Occupation: Commercial Artist
1939 NATIONAL REGISTER
Unable to find
Soldier
Using art skills for the war
1957 DEATH
Name: Reginald C W Heade
Death Age: 54
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Hammersmith
1959 PROBATE
Probate to Fred Williams county treasurer and Margaret Ethel Cullen children’s officer
Name: Reginald Cyril Webb Heade
Death Date: 14 Oct 1957
Death Place: London
Probate Date: 25 Mar 1959
Probate Registry: London
https://www.british-genealogy.com/threads/93632-ARTIST-REGINALD-CYRIL-WEBB-HEADE?p=672446#post672446
Hi Lorraine. Many, many thanks for the reply about Reginald Heade. Much of that information was already known to me, but some very significant details – including the identity of his father – were not. That is enormously useful.
Hello Stephen
Pleasure.
There are lots of potential James Heade ‘fathers’ on Ancestry who you could contact, asking could your ancestor be the father, family rumour, these days to be sure a DNA test.
Did Reginald or his mother Annie make-up the name James for the father on Reginald’s very late baptism age 15, father James is listed as a traveller, had the father not known he left behind a pregnant woman and had a son and on coming back to the area insisted on a baptism? Who knows?
Hi, I have established that my Grandfather was born in Stanley Cottages, circa 1888, some time before the family moved to Prothero Rd in Fulham, does anybody know where Stanley Cottages would have been please?
Pam,
Much of Fulham was still rural in the 19th century and rows of cottagesre a-planty.
Stanley Cottages were situated in North End Road, Fulham. I’m not sure exactly where but looking at the 1881 Census they are shown as numbers 2 and 3 North End Road and seem to have been close to the Prince of Wales public house in Lillie Road. It seems likely that they were part of Sir John Lillie’s development, planned in 1826, which included the North End Brewery. Other rows of cottages (e.g. Garden Cottages) were also in the vicinity. Within 30 years much of the area was redeveloped into the roads we see today including the Peabody Estate and looks to have swallowed up the rows of cottages.
The Stanley Cottages were probably named after Sir John Stanley who owned property in North End from the 18th century, so perhaps Stanley Cottages pre-dated the Sir John Lillie development.
Oh Mark, that’s great, I have a friend in Hammersmith who will know exactly where that is.
Thank you kindly for your help.
Pam
I’m not sure if it’s possible to amend text but what I wrote in the first line should, of course, have said ‘rows of cottages were a-plenty.’ Must have been the wine….
Thank you for your help with this, it starts to make sense, the family attended the Saint Thomas of Canterbury Church Church and the children all went to the school there as well. It would have been an easy move to Prothero Rd as it is literally just around the corner.
This is wonderful information and thanks again.
There may have been 2 lots of Stanley cottages
Stanley Cottages Fulham SW6 name changed to Rylston Road 1888
Stanley Cottages Fulham W14 & SW6 North End Road # 1884
The second entry looks to me as if they straddled the 2 postal districts possible on the borders of the old Met borough of Fulham, around Gibbs Green
Actually rethinking this it’s more likely to be nearby to Telephone place,as I believe the postal boundaries was there between SW6 and W14,following Lillie Road.
Thanks, Vernon. Rylston Road is in SW6 and is certainly in the right area to have been where Stanley Cottages once stood in North End Road and Prothero Road, where Pam’s family moved to, runs off of Rylston. It’s likely to have been these Stanley Cottages rather than the Gibbs Green ones, which would have been W14 but a long way from the W14 of the West Kensington area of North End Road.
Rylston Road runs parallel with North End Road and does appear on the 1891 Census but Stanley Cottages do not. It’s on the opposite side of North End Road to where I thought Stanley Cottages were but as you say they became part of Rylston Road (it’s quite a long road, running from Lillie Road to Dawes Road) in 1888 you’ve got to be right.
Incidentally, the 1891 Census shows a Stanley Cottage (singular) in Farm Lane which, as you’re probably aware, still survives at the Fulham Broadway (Walham Green) end of North End Road.
An 1871 map of Hammersmith and Fulham seems to show Rylston Road being known as Church Road then, so prior to 1888 Stanley Cottages may well have sat on Church Road. I’ve now checked in my copy of Feret’s Fulham Old and New and it confirms that Rylston Road was once known as Church Road, due to the existence of St Thomas’ Roman Catholic Church, but more properly as Stanley Road. This makes it more likely that this was the location of Stanley Cottages although Feret only mentions Church Cottages and Temperance Cottages as being a row of ‘poor tenements’ at the northern end on the east side of the road. It says these were demolished in 1897.
Hi Pam,
A great uncle of mine was also born at Stanley Cottage, Fulham, per his 1857 birth certificate. There is a web site mapco.net where you can access London maps at different points in time. I also have an image of the area, an 1862 map, showing Stanley Cottage labeled and it was right next to Church Road at the time & a bit west of North End Rd. and slightly north of Dawes Lane. Catherine
That’s fantastic Catherine, thank you for your help with this. I will look at the maps and send the information to my Cousin who still lives in the area.
Thank you again.
Pam
Thanks for telling us about this map website. It had escaped my attention. It will prove most useful in the future,I knew of other online sources, but not this one. Historyaschurchfulham akaVernon. Click picture to discover more.
Glad to be of help. Catherine
Are you aware of the D-Day Event taking place on 8th June in St.Paul’s Gardens! Please see LBHF website for details
Looking for photos of mr alfred frost of 33 chelmsford street w6 a market trader of north end road in the 50s also any photos of the street
There is an extensive selection of photographs of most of the boroughs roads held by LBHF archives at the Hammersmith Library. The archivist is there on a Monday and Tuesday and can be contacted by email archives@lbhf.gov.uk . As for photographs of Mr Frost the best chance would be newspaper articles if there were any newsworthy events in his life or possibly an obituary. Local papers are held on Microfiche at the archive. Your best bet would be to attend personally.
Good luck.
Hi, does anyone remember when Lloyd’s Bank was at Fulham Broadway, originally it was known as Walham Green branch. I remember Walham Green branch on the cheque books, I was hoping someone might remember when the change was made by Lloyd’s to use Fulham Broadway name. Thank you in advance.
Hi, my GGrandparents lived in Prothero Rd and the children all went to the St Thomas of Canterbury Church, Rylston Rd, just around the corner. The mother and one of the girls worked at the Fulham Laundry so my question is this, would there be any digitised records that I could search online please? I live in Australia so it’s not handy to drop in.
Thank you.
What sort of records, and what have you checked already. British newspaper library, National Archives, London Metropolittan Archives,Hammersmith Archives, Findmypast , Genesreunitedetc? All have on line search engines
Thank you for your suggestions, I contacted St Thomas of Canterbury Church some years ago but nothing had been digitised at the time, I also tried to find information about the Fulham Hammersmith Laundry but apparently there were a couple and I have no idea which one my ancestors worked at. I have discovered a lot using Genesreunited and continue to use this great tool.
I would like to know a newspaper website, I haven’t looked there but years ago I went into the Hammersmith Library and it was through the National Archives that I discovered where the family lived.
I’m very greatful for your help and appreciate any further tips. Thank you.
Hello Pam
Just out of interest Chinese sailors setup laundries in Fulham from as early as 1871, your ancestor could have worked at this laundry?
1871 CENSUS
Name: William Achong born 1824 China, Morvern laundry man
Spouse’s name: Sarah Achong laundress
Sister: Jamima Corke laundress
Civil Parish: Fulham
Street Address: 2 Maxwell Road
1878 UK CITY & COUNTY DIRECTORIES
Commercial
Achong William laundry 36 Maxwell Road
1878 UK CITY & COUNTY DIRECTORIES
Laundries
Achtong Wm 36 Maxwell Road Fulham SW
1880 LONDON ENGLAND CITY DIRECTORIES
Commercial
Achong William laundry 36 Maxwell Road Fulham SW
1881 CENSUS
Name: William Achong born 1826
Spouse: Sarah Achong laundress
Daughter: Eleanor Achong work in laundry
Where born: (B S), China
Civil Parish: Fulham
Street address: 36 Maxwell Rd
Hello Pam
Didn’t realise laundries could be so interesting.
http://www.avictorian.com/servants_laundry.html
https://www.tate.org.uk/art/research…girls-r1136823
http://www.britishchineseheritagecen…B4%97%E8%A1%A3
http://www.oldandinteresting.com/his…g-clothes.aspx
http://auntiemabel.org/wp-content/up…-laundress.pdf
https://englishhistoryauthors.blogsp…d-laundry.html
Have read an interesting article previously (but now can’t find!!) about the health of laundry workers being affected by the constant wet and damp – but people were exposed to so many diseases being housed so closely together, with so many people in the same rooms.
With regard to damp, bed linen every morning had to be thrown back to ‘air’ and then a metal bed pan used each evening to remove any accumulated damp which could cause serious illness overnight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bed_warmer
Watching the Antiques Roadshow Victorian householders and those travelling to lodging houses/boarding houses would use a damp detector every night in their bed before going to sleep so they could make arrangements to remove excess damp.
That is so interesting, who would have thought about that and I wonder what a dampness detector was?
I would appreciate someone telling me about Goldings Cottages. My great great grandmother Harriet (?) Sedwell lived there ca 1870. Anything about the run of cottages would be of interest. My brother thought that it might have a religious cast to it. Any detail on the Sedwells would be a bonus. Her daughter Charlotte Jane married William McLean (address Savages Greengrocers, Queens Terrace (?), Kings Road, Fulham according to the 1871 census. and they emigrated to Auckland in 1874 on the ‘Miltiades’. Thanks in advance for any comment – Vernon Tupper
Golding’s Cottages were in Fulham SW6 and the address was part of Sands End Lane in 1902,the row of old cottages was demolished about the time. (Feret) They were near Sandford manor house close by Stanley Bridge., if one passed down the narrow passage way to the Manor house Golding’s buildings were on the right.The estate itself was purchased by the Imperial gas works in 1824.
The West London observer has the following advert in 1887.
3 GOLDING’S COTTAGES, Sands End Lane, Fulham. House TO Let, suit Laundress, large rooms and drying ground; I0s, per week. the ad ran for 3 weeks in June
Thank you for this understanding. I live in Auckland (a fair distance away in time and space) so my ‘picture’ of these equally distanced people and their lives is bare bones. The details you have provided allow me to add a little flesh.
Best wishes Vern
Just to sat that the British newspaper library now has Fulham Chronicle on line from1913 to 1949
Are you able to help me with Fulham schools and education 1844-1851? My great-grandfather was Samuel Knight born 1839 in Fulham, from a middle-upper working class family. He received a very good education. I have found one private school on Fulham Rd run by Thomas & Graham Hackman 1839 which he may have attended – if it was still open 1844 onwards?
Looking forward to any further information you may be able to provide.
Thank you, Berris Knight Spicer
Up to the end of the 19th century education was provided by church , charity or private sectors; the porch school was founded in Fulham Church(All Saints) in the 17th c. In 18th and 19th c. schools were mainly private, many only lasting a few years.There were 10 listed in the 1841 census, but only 4 in 1851 * and 1861.
I list her the schools available in 1841 census
Mulgrave Avenue School
Richmond Road school
Portland Place school
Parsons Green school
Burlington Road School *
Kensington Hall school *
Pitt Place School
Cedar House School *
Melville House School *
London Road School
If you can give us the road he lived in we might be able to get a more accurate name.
The Hackmans school was in the High Street (Fulham?) in 1831, this could have be the old porch school and the site where Fulham Pre-Prep school, but formerly All Saints primary school is today
Vernon, Alfred Hackman, born in Fulham in 1811, matriculated as a servitor student at Christ Church College, Oxford in 1832 and had a connection with the Bodleian Library for over 35 years, rising to sub-librarian. He also became chaplain and precentor of Christ Church, and vicar of Cowley (near Oxford). Fascinatingly, his 1851 Census entry shows his occupation as ‘With Cure Of Souls’!’ The address is shown as 1, High Street, Fulham.
His father, Thomas, was the parochial vestry clerk in Fulham and I suspect the Hackman’s School was a Church school run by members of the same family. Thomas Hackman shows as the oldest family member in the 1841 Census. His wife is also shown along with four of their other children as well as 41 other children between the ages of 7 and 15, presumably pupils. In fact, the 1841 Census shows the Hackman family at presumably the same location as in the 1851 Census but Fulham High Street was then known as London Road, which was the stretch of Fulham Road, no more than a narrow lane, that ran from Fulham High Street to Fulham Broadway, and didn’t have a door number as such. That stretch had been known as London Road in records of 1442 and probably earlier.
Mark, Thanks for this, will now add to ASChurch info file.
Hi, My 2 great-uncle was born at Caldwell’s (or Caldwell) Villa by/on North End in 1860, per his birth certificate. I have a set of the 1862 Stanford maps and can’t find Caldwell’s Villa on it. Do any of you know where it might have been located in 1860?
Thanks, Cate
Hi.
My great grandfather (William Charles Butcher) died in Fulham Broadway in April 1893, trampled by a horse. I have searched through newspaper archives etc but have found no real details of the event. Were such things that common? Can anyone fill in the blanks?
Many Thanks
John Butcher
Hello John
As William died violently the coroner should have held an inquest, the details will be on William’s death certificate (do you already have the death certificate or is this a family story that has been handed down the generations). My great-grandfather was trampled by a horse and cart but survived with terrible leg injuries causing him to become an alcoholic to dull the pain, this was a ‘family story’ but then evidenced when we found his records in a children’s hospital. Another relative had his head decapitated at an air field in WWI where he was working in 1918 aged only 16 had only just started working for the war effort – on his death certificate the coroner puts his comments and the report found in several newspapers and at the local archives.
I used the British Newspaper Archive for William but no joy, so suggest you obtain the death certificate and contact the local archives.
I noticed from William’s marriage in 1889 that he was a (horse drawn) bus conductor and in the 1891 census a (horse drawn) omnibus driver, the accident may have happened through his work or just in everyday life.
Coroner Holds Inquest If Violent Death Reported
https://www.gov.uk/after-a-death/when-a-death-is-reported-to-a-coroner
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/births-deaths-and-marriages/deaths/coroners-and-mortuary
Early English Traffic: Turn of the Century London (1896-1903)
British Pathé
Show very busy roads with horse drawn vehicles including omnibuses
The Horse World Of London
The Omnibus Horse
https://www.victorianlondon.org/publications6/horse-01.htm
Public transport in Victorian London: Overground
https://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/collections/collections-online/information/item/2008-1998
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsebus
Conductors License
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/key-dates-in-the-history-of-london-transport.pdf
TfL Corporate Archives Research Guides
Research Guide: Sources for Genealogical Research
If a work related death could help with how to research
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/research-guide-no-17-sources-for-genealogical-research.pdf
Transport for London Corporate Archives
The Story of the Bus and London Transport
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/year-of-the-bus-exhibition-2014.pdf
Busman’s Holiday
http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/ar-bus1.htm
The Displacement of London’ s Horse Omnibus
http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/17th-january-1907/3/the-displacement-of-london-s-horse-omnibus
The London Omnibus
http://knowledgeoflondon.com/buses.html
Omnibuses and Cabs
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Omnibuses_and_Cabs/Part_I/Chapter_IX
Do you know the history of the Wharfs near Fulham Football ground. One is called Palace Wharf.E.G. When were they built and why. Any help gratefully received
For a list of wharves see my post in Contact us for 10 Jan 2018. Hammersmith and Fulham had a number of Riverside industry and businesses, including coal imports, marble imports, dust shoots , sugar manufacturers , oil and petrol importers etc. The wharves would have been constructed as the industries developed.Palace wharf was built in 1907 on land owned by James Attersoll acquired in 18th c. ,who had malthouses on was once was Crabtree fields other wharves followed after 1907 including the one for j. Mears and sons who Built the embankment wall for Bishops Park.
Hi there 🙂
I was wondering if anyone would be able to tell me anything about the addresses 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10 Broadway, Walham Green SW. My great great grandmother Mabel Doris Flewett is living there on the 1911 census as a draper’s assistant. Googling it hasn’t come up with anything unfortunately. Many thanks, Susie Longstaff.
2,3,4,5,6, Fulham Broadway(Walham Green) was next door to the pub at 571 Fulham Road, and was the premises of Timothy Davies Ltd Drapers. I believe there were flats above the shops, so may well have been for their employees. I have not checked the census records which will certainly give a clue to the numbers present there.
When the store closed (cant remember when) but I did go in there in late 50s it became a Council department for Social Services, and library bookstore, and then became the Blue elephant Thai restaurant. If you google Blue elephant Fulham you will find a picture and a street sign giving the numbers of the block.
Vernon, I don’t know if you are aware that Timothy Davies was Welsh and established a Methodist chapel in Effie Road in 1897.
I cannot remember Timothy Davies store being open during WW2.; it must have closed about 1939. At one time it was a British Restaurant during the War. The food was not brilliant. – we only ate there once!.
OLD HAMMERSMITH MARKET (BRADMORE LANE)
I have previously had some amazing responses to my comments on this site regarding the old market and my family (the Dear family). I have become conscious that, as the generations that directly worked within the market have passed, it has seemingly become a largely forgotten part of everyday Hammersmith life. I have also been surprised at how few photographs appeared to exist of the Bradmore Lane market.
As a consequence, I established a Facebook group page in January to remember and celebrate the market.
The group page is titled “Old Hammersmith Market Remembered” and, as the members have grown, it now includes some wonderful photographs and information about the families and people that so influenced the market, from its inception at the turn of the 20th Century, through to its closure (in Bradmore Lane) in 1972.
I am particularly keen to find descendants of the Parker family (a key part of the Hammersmith market history).
If interested, or able to add to the group, please feel free to visit.
Many Thanks,
Cary Sumpter
Hi Cary, I was born in Hammersmith lived in Overstone Road, and then I lived with my Nan in Shortlands. In the sixties. My Family name was Roberts, my uncle was married to Ada Parker.. I have fond memories of Hammersmith market. I’m trying to get on Facebook.and look forward to reading other peoples memories.my uncle billy Roberts had a fruit and veg shop at the bottom of beacon hill just opposite overstone road. That was in the late fifties early sixties.. I could go on and on.as so many memories.
Hi – my grandparents owned a restaurant in the early 1950s in Beadon Road. I believe it was no 45 or 47 and called Beadon’s (before the office blocks!). The owners, my grandparents, were Greek-Cypriot immigrants and I’m told that famous actors rehearsing and performing at the Lyric Theatre would go in for breakfast, lunch or dinner – including Kenneth Williams, Paul Schofield, Sylvia Simms, Richard Burton, Trevor Howard and so on and so on. The list was endless but the celebrities would go nowhere else and were regulars! I have two or three photos of the inside, but cannot find any archive photos of the frontage on Beadon Road in the late 40s or 50s. If anyone remembers the restaurant, the people or knows about this era i would love to hear. My grandad’s name was “Jack” (Melis Jacovides) and he befriended anybody with a joke and his wife was “Jennie” (Yianoulla). Jack was also a barber by trade (starting out in Kings Cross with a barber shop! Jennie was the head cook and also a dressmaker. They lived in Ealing and my mum went to the Corona stage school around the corner to the restaurant (and her claim to faim was that she was in a couple of productions, including an extra in St Trinians films, in the same class as Dennis Waterman, Carol White, Richard O’Sullivan and Francesca Annis!). Thanks for any info – I’m nostalgic because my mum and grandparents all passed away in the last 20 years.
Hello, I’d appreciate any help with information on Rev John J. Crowley, pp, St Thomas of Canterbury Fulham. I believe he was there from 1899 for around 40 years.
I look forward to your reply. Many thanks in advance.
Hi
I wonder if anyone can help solve a puzzle for me.
A friend’s great grandparents, Robert and Helen Martin White lived at a “normal” house at 45, Felden Street, Fulham but it was requisitioned by the government at the start of WW2 (yes, WW2) and was never given back to them.
We can’t think why an ordinary house would be requisitioned, and why it was never given back.
Graham Corio
You might be interested in this link, Graham –
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1954/jul/20/requisitioned-houses
Our book Fulham in the Second World War only mentions a fatality from an incendiary bomb in 1943 at Felden Street. So nothing obvious but there may be more detailed information in the LBHF Archive in Hammersmith Library (archives@lbhf.gov.uk ). Searching their online catalogue suggests there may be some documents relating to requisitions for housing. The archivist is there Mondays and Tuesdays. Good luck
Hello we would love someone from the society to come to our office and talk to us about the history of Fulham so we can relay the information to those clients who are interested. Would anyone be able to do this? I look forward to hearing from you. Ann Benson
Dear Ann,
If you’ll forgive a shameless attempt to sell a book, I was born in 1934 at 477 Fulham Road and lived there until 1960. I wrote about it in, The Rising Son. It’s available at Amazon and all good booksellers as they say.
Kind regards
James Kelso
Dear Ann – I published a book on the local area in 2015, Wild about Fulham and my historian might be interested in helping you. If you’d like to get in touch please let me know – best regards AW
Hi.
I am trying to trace my paternal grandfather. As far as I know he was from Cyprus and met my father’s mother at the hammersmith theatre. I wonder if there were any records of patrons names around 1962. I have found who I believe to be him on the st marylebourne census from 1963 – 1965 but then disappears. May not even be him. The name on my fathers birth certificate is Dimitrios Dimitriou. Any help would be greatly appreciated
I am sure this is a long shot but I went to Holland Park School, 1959/64. We were a League of Nations at that time and someone by that name was in my class. Are you referring to the Hammersmith Palais? Very popular at the time.
I grew up in Archel Road, Fulham in the fifties and quite a lot of Greek Cypriot families came over at that time. And it was a common name. We had a family of the same name came to live opposite us.
Do you have a birth or marriage date that might help? Also any names of children?
I guess that the theatre was the Lyric. Hammersmith Palais was a dance hall.
Hello, I would like to find out about an incident of a scaffolding collapse in Dawes Rd SW6 in 1973 I think. Many thanks. Ian.
Unless someone reading your post can narrow down the date it would be a bit of a labour to search the microfilm copies of the local papers at the Archives in Hammersmith Library. You could try a search of British Newspaper Archive
Good luck
Any idea where this location is? Postcard says Hammersmith
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Hi I’m away at present but may be able to
Find out some info in a couple weeks time
Do you know s month or date when this
Occurred
Brian Jeffreys
Hi Brian
About 1914.
Possible location: Rutland Road, Bridge View near Hammersmtih Bridge.
Thanks
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Keith W. Howard
I recall that there was a dairy in Wandsworth Bridge road towards the south end, I think the name was OWEN. It was next to an antique junk store back in the 1950’s. https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.4738553,-0.1919862,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9e_V2M-yfp13P_SHqZb8lQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Mike
Yes there was a dairy called “Owen” in Wandsworth Bridge Road near St Matthew’s church. I am not sure if it was “Owen jones” though
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I am trying to find out information on the dairy my Nan owned in Battersea it was called PD Owen dairy
Miranda best if you contact the LB of Wandsworth Archive for information 👍
There was an Owen milkman in Fulham, so perhaps the firm spread across the river, and an Owen dairies company still exists today. If you check google books there is a publication called Growing up in Fulham, with an entry that starts…Owen the milkman, a genial balding Welshman with a wholly undeserved reputation as a ladies’ man, had a small, old-fashioned dairy on the corner of Lalor and Waldemar Avenue
My Grandfather George Thomas Groves was a milkman in the Hammersmith area from an early age. The 1911 census shows him as a milkman age 19 but the 1901 census shows him age 9 with no further details. He had no education and family information was that he was “carrying heavy milk cans around London” from when he was a child. He lived at 4 Beavor Lane, Hammersmith and came to Australia in 1912. It would be interesting to know how milkmen operated at the time. Also anything on Beavor Lane which is now completely different from what it was then.
Vernon, you forgot to mention that the lovely book Growing Up In Fulham was written by that old Sloane boy, Harry Turner. Owen appears on page 14 and his dairy was on the corner of Waldemar Avenue and Lalor Street. The Welsh always seemed to run a dairy in Fulham. A couple of Welsh sisters named Jenkins ran our local dairy which stood in Burnthwaite Road. In 1900 it was estimated that half of all dairies in London were Welsh due to an influx of Welsh dairymen into London in the mid-19th century. Most came from the Cardiganshire area and were forced to move on as a result of hard times in Wales.
Hello from Colorado! I came across a census record from 1841 and I am trying to clarify a few items to verify a possible relative. Between the two pages of the census record, there are about 40 people listed, 22 with the surname either “Lee” “Loo” or “Leo”. All but one of the children have this surname, and all the others are women between 25 and 40. None of the men listed have this surname. Is this an indicator that it was a brothel? Orphanage? Or something else? The streets referenced are Munster Road, then the second looks something like “Byrons Green Lane” or “Barrons Green Lane”? Either way, it doesn’t appear to exist anymore. Any ideas?
-Sarah Harris
The other road name may be PARSONS Green Lane – not very far from Munster Road
Hello Sarah
What is the full name, birth date, place of birth of your possible ancestor, so we can go into the 1841 census and then look through the image pages you are talking about that have Lee, Loo or Leo.
What is the full name, birth date, place of birth of one of the men you talking about, so we can go into the 1841 census and then look through the image pages you are talking about that have Lee, Loo or Leo.
I had a relative boarding in a small mews cottage in Mayfair with other girls and a matron, no indication what type of premises. By googling the address found out was a church school for girls who mothers were widows (looking at the other girls found their fathers had died and girls came from large families living in that area of London).
Munster Road To Parsons Green Lane
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/parsons+green+lane/muster+road/@51.4757473,-0.2090259,16z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x48760f9ce76e6475:0xaf2af9ed4442d45d!2m2!1d-0.2007733!2d51.4759458!1m5!1m1!1s0x48760f9f25e3e501:0x9636dcea06d9b99e!2m2!1d-0.2096899!2d51.4769571!5i1
I am trying to trace a relative – William Burley who attended Ackmar Rd. Schl.in 1902.His next of kin was given as Fulham Guardians,9 Parson’s Green. Was this Henniker House ? Is there any further info. available?
Ackmar Road School was where, temporarily, children taken into care, orphans, went and they lived around the corner at 9 Parsons Green. If you are interested I have a photo of number 9, now part of Lady Margaret’s School, the Old School House, the cornerstone of the new Ackmar Road School where your relative went. I have had success in tracing relatives in the Board of Guardians records both in the London Archives and on Ancestry. It is amazing how well they documented children even down to when they reached 14 and were found employment, how much they were paid per week. Personally I know of the places Roman Catholic children were sent, a convent in Brook Green for girls, two orphanages in Heston, Middx. For boys, St. Mary’s and St. Vincent’s.
Hello, my Mum recently showed me her biological grandmother’s Mrs Beeton’s book And in the front is written an address which doesn’t seem to now exist. I wondered if you have any information about it. The date is 1930, the name is Miss R Roberts and the address is 2 Madeline Mews, High Street, Putney SW15.
I would be grateful for any information.
Best wishes
Tammie
Hello Tammie I think you need the. London Borough of Wandsworth Archive for your enquiry Good Luck 👍
My great grandfather, Caleb Collins (1856-1930), was London City Missionary at Eelbrook Common from 1889 to 1924 and lived at 2 Hartismere Road with his wife Alice and large family. He contributed to the Booth survey in 1899. I would be interested to know whether anything further is known about him.
I live in Cape Town. Many thanks.
London City Mission has a very extensive archive. I copy here some details for others who may be interested from their website
ARCHIVES
The Mission, which was established in May 1835, has an extensive collection of records and archives which could be of interest to social historians and family researchers.
Where academic or professional researchers use our material, we ask that they supply us with a copy of their findings, which we may freely use for our own (not-for-profit) purposes.
KEY ELEMENTS OF THE ARCHIVES
LCM Magazine (1836 onwards) including much material from missionaries’ daily journals and annual reports
LCM Magazine Indexes 1836 – 1899
LCM Magazine Indexes 1900 – 1963
LCM Magazine Indexes 1964 – 1968
LCM Annual Reports (1835 onwards)
Minutes of the LCM Committee (weekly meetings from 1835)
Family history related e.g. Register of Missionaries
Unpublished annual reports of individual missionaries, autobiographical accounts, etc.
Photos and scanned images
Annotated bibliography
We have gradually accumulated a number of studies on individual missionaries. Sometimes these only contain the basic details of when a person joined the Mission and when they left or died, together with a short published obituary. Others contain much more detailed information e.g. mentions in Committee minute books and long extracts from obituaries, where they exist.
There is a form on their website to complete.
If you’d like to make an enquiry about our archives, please complete the form below or telephone us on 020 7407 7585.
Archive research is done by volunteers and is very time-consuming. If you request a particular document, we would appreciate a donation to our funds – thank you.
Thank you so much for your detailed reply. It is due to an application to the LMS Archive in 2007 that I know anything at all about my great grandfather’s professional life as a Missionary in the Fulham area. Their help was invaluable.
My current inquiry was spurred by old newspaper reports which mentioned him briefly in the formal language of the times. There was also a longer report concerning the suicide of his sister (a Baptist lady missionary) in his house in Hartismere Road in 1897 – a tragedy of which I and my family were entirely ignorant.
He had 11 children from two marriages, none of whom settled permanently in Fulham.
The West London Observer 14th May 1914 records in a lengthy piece the death of the first wife, who bore him 10 children, mentioning the Imperial road Mission hall, which Christ Church Fulham was involved with, and later the a LCMmissioner was at CC in the 1980’s. There is a lengthy list of mourners. There are a number of entries for the family in the British Newspaper online library archive. The Bath Chronicle records the death of his last surviving daughter and records Caleb as being a rector of Stedham-cum-Heyshott,
Thank you so much for further information about Caleb Collins of the LCM. The final sentence: “The Bath Chronicle records the death of his last surviving daughter and records Caleb as being a rector of Stedham-cum-Heyshott,” does not refer to him, however. The rector was an ordained Anglican clergyman of the same name who – as far as we know – was not related to Fulham’s Caleb Collins (who retired to Parham in Suffolk, the county of his birth). London City Missionaries were not ordained and were known as Mr. rather than Rev.
Hello Jackie
Currently looking through the British Newspaper Archives
There are several stories relating to Caleb Collins, will send over soon
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
One story is extremely tragic in 1897
RE: Caleb Collins of Fulham
Thank you so much for your interest and help. I do know about the suicide of Caleb Collins’ sister in 1897, poor soul. There was another person of the same name who lived at the same time and was a parson in the established church. He was always referred to as Rev. Collins, unlike Caleb Collins the LMS missionary, who was a Mr.
Kind regards,
Jackie Loos
Yes I went through the British Newspaper Archives, there were many entries about him, very active with the Peterboro Benevolent Fund and Band Of Hope, too many articles to fully extract, just look up and read about.
Peterborough Benevolent Society
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001984/19160310/081/0005
The amount collected at that festival is the chief source of revenue relied upon by the society, whose work is well known in the district, where it has been established some 81 years, having distributed over £10,000 to the deserving poor of Fulham.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F116538
Death Of Mrs C Collins
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000973/19140508/074/0004
DEATH MRS. C. COLLINS, EELBROOK HALL MISSIONARY’S SAD LOSS. Mr. Caleb Collins, of Hartismere House, Hartismere Road, Fulham, and missionary Eel Brook Hall, has been the recipient of many messages of condolence the loss he has sustained the death of his wile, Mrs. Alice Jane Collins. Mrs. Collins, who was 61 years of age, died on Sunday from heart failure, consequent upon catarrh of the stomach. Born Dorking, in Surrey, Mrs. Collins married her husband at Morden in 1877. Thirty two vears ago Mr. Collins became attached the London City Mission and was appointed a hall which stood in Turks’ Row. and Mrs. Collins lived Battersea at that time. When the old houses there were swept away a great number of the inhabitants came to Fulham, and Mr and Mrs. Collins followed, Mr. Collins being appointed missionary at Eel Brook Hall, Imperial-Road. This was about thirty years ago.
Band Of Hope
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000437/19131107/033/0003
The Band of Hope children West London gathered at the Town Hall, Fulham, on Friday evening, for the annual concert. The boys from the Twynholm Orphanage in Fulham Road provided the bulk of an entertaining programme, and Mr. Will Hardy can be justly proud of the admirable troupe of juvenile entertainers he has made of the Twynholm Orphanage boys, who both in their individual items as well as in their group efforts display marked ability.
Band Of Hope, Temperance Organisation
https://spartacus-educational.com/REhope.htm
Band Of Hope Review, Magazine
http://www.victorianweb.org/periodicals/bandofhope.html
Charles Booth
https://booth.lse.ac.uk/
No wonder Caleb Collins worked alongside Charles Booth
What a person to be related to!
Sorry to FHHS users, now can’t see when people have responded to a comment, and getting other odd messages about duplicate work when the first work isn’t showing up on screen. Computers!
Thank you SO much for your work on the LMS missionary Caleb Collins, you are a star!
My pleasure
People so poor needed help, so you had the selfish rich in society going on guided tours of the slums with more money to buy several homes, fashionable clothes, nourishing food and entertainment than sense and then people like your ancestor supporting many societies raising money to help the most needy, who had no money or little money, so rented a bed on a shift system or just sitting down with a rope to hold them up while they slept, bought second hand clothes so the working class walked around in unfashionable rags, ate cheap poisoned adulterated rotten food and drank themselves into oblivion.
In the workhouses you see a labourer listed alongside a lawyer, no-one deserved to be treated in that way,
Deserving poor and undeserving poor
http://www.herinst.org/BusinessManagedDemocracy/culture/work/deserving.html
https://forthefainthearted.com/2012/12/26/workhouse-grief/
I am trying to found out Fulham Thursday F.C. runners up in 1908/9
Thursday metropolitan shield
I got married in 1970 at the registry office in Hammersmith Road. I wonder if there are any photos of it anywhere
Hi
my paternal grandmother and all of her brothers and sisters hail from Iffley road in Hammersmith and I’m looking into a tragedy during the war where several firemen died fighting a gas fire in the area.
Do you have any r3cord of this?
Thank you in advance.
Nick Smith.
My maternal grandmother was born at 27 Iffley Road, Hammersmith. I’d be very interested to know any history of the area.
Alison Saunders
Hi – Having ;looked at the 1911 cencus, it seems a close ancestor and family lived at 337-339 Fulham Road and it looks like it was a public house ……can anyone tell me what it was called and also whether there would be any photos anywhere
Seems to be Mandaloun Restaurant and Wyndhams butchers now. This is in Kensington and Chelsea so probably best starting point is their archives. They will have directories, maps and rate books.
Good luck in your quest.
Thx – I will
The
Goat in boots was at 333 Fulham Road, a very old historic pub, that was called the Goat up to 1725.
335 and 337 are listed in a pub index, but no name is given, except the proprietor at that time. He and previous owners of the site are described as beer retailers. Perhaps they sold beer to pubs and shops etc.
Can anyone tell me the the connection between Myles Coverdale, the bible translator, and the Primary School, in Shepherds Bush, apparently named after him? Frederick
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The Borough of Hammersmith had two public swimming pools. one was the Lime Grove swimming Pools and the other Was an open air swimming pool on Bloemfontein Road.
The libraries have a blog with illus. about the Bloemfontein one, llbhflibraries.wordpress.com whilst info can be found at http://www.lostlidos.co.uk on lime grove baths
on recent search i found old maps of hammersmith say way back in 1900 sorry cannot remember the site also KELLYS DIR MAY HELP
i think one of the university’s has done a free site to explore bit difficult but with trail and error it is very good vic hill hammersmith 1958 /62
Thank you for the info
Thanks for that info – I assumed they ran a pub but maybe they sold beer to pubs as you suggested…
Hi.
Has anyone come across a teacher by the name of Lillian Emmeline Martin. She was born in 1889 Chelsea the family lived in Fulham 1891-1911 adenc(e)y road & aspenlea road. She is on the 1939 reg as teacher living in east sheen av Barnes( where did she teach?)
I went to Munster Road Primary School in the 1950s but have seen a photo that purports to be of the Munster Road Secondary School in 1947. I’ve never heard of a school by that name so wonder whether they might have got the name wrong. It was a mixed school. Any ideas?
I went to Munster rd “modern secondary” school in 42 I was 10yrs old………. It sat in a triangle of land between Bishop St,Filmer Rd and Munster Rd from which it took its name.At the junction of
Filmer and Munster rd lies Swift St on the corner of which is a bakers shop.A 2lb loaf cost 4old pence/or four bread rolls for
1 old penny!!!! I lived in Swift St.
P/s the bakers shop is still there—76yrs later and still in business
St John’s Cof E Primary School now occupies that site see the other school in this part of Munster Road is Fulham Cross Girls School. There are pictures of the buildings on both websites.
Thanks, P Jenkins.
That’s the first time I knew that my old Primary school had also been a Secondary Modern. Given the year you were there I wonder if it was one of the many amalgamated schools that were created during wartime for those children who weren’t evacuated..My old Grammar school, Sloane, in Chelsea, was the West London Emergency Secondary School for Boys during the Second World War.
Hi again
Was there in 1940’s a hardware or ironmongeryshop in Hammersmith
thank you
Hi
can you please tell me what the Hammersmith Baths were called in about 1937
Thanks for all your information. That’s really helpful. I hope to visit it sometime soon.
Kind Regards,
Lynne. 😀
Does anyone know anything about a lady called Victoria Maud Polson (names maybe the wrong way round). She was a book keeper for an electrical company in 1920 when she had my dad James wyse Polson. Don’t think she was married. Her address was castle Street (or road) Fulham. He was then fostered out to lady in Brighton. Dad passed away 12 years ago and we have never been able to find anything out.any info would be great
Hello Ruth
There isn’t a Castle Street or Castle Road – do you mean Castletown Road?
https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/postcode/w149hg
Electrical company, could be absolutely anywhere?
Fulham Power Station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulham_Power_Station
Lots Road Power Station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lots_Road_Power_Station
Lillie Bridge Depot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillie_Bridge_Depot
1920 BIRTH
Name: James Wyse Polson
Registration Date: Apr 1920
[May 1920]
[Jun 1920]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Fulham
Inferred County: Greater London
Mother’s Maiden Name: Polson
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 667
Do you have James’ birth certificate? If so, is that all the information you have?
1927 LONDON ELECTORAL REGISTER
40 Lillie Road
Name: William Robert Wyse
Year: 1927
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Fulham East and West
2 minute walk from Castletown Road to Lillie Road
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+far+lillie+road+to+castletown+road&oq=how+far+lillie+road+to+castletown+road&aqs=chrome..69i57.8010j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Just some ideas, need more information really, or you do a DNA test and then wait for contact.
Looking for photos with st Edmunds rc comprehensive winning west London cup in 1977 or 78,would really appreciate your help
HI – do you know details of any factories in the Lilly Road area of Fulham that manufactured or worked with dyes, leather, rubber, textiles, or paints by any chance please?
Could this be Chaney Laundry or Morgan Crucible works?
I have found via Find A Grave where a relative is buried. I wrote to LBHF to ask if they had any contact information for this grave, wrote a letter asking for it to be forwarded with my details of the connection. I have drawn a blank with no replies from either.
The relative in question is buried in Sheen Cemetery, born and lived in Fulham, had a wife, children, grandchildren and was my grandmother’s brother though she did not know him. If we could find this family, this would be the first contact with anyone from my grandmother’s side. She was brought up in an orphanage and a half brother killed in WW1 was the only relative she claimed to know of. Is there a way of finding out the owners of this grave? It appears to be well tended.
There are two cemeteries in Sheen and my grandmother is buried in the other one. Unbelievable.
Hello Susan
I would send an EMAIL to Hammersmith & Fulham Council Cemeteries & Burials Office asking for reply to your letters previously sent and un-responded to. If you are able to visit ask for a meeting with the Cemeteries & Burials Office
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/births-deaths-and-marriages/deaths/cemeteries-and-burials
North Sheen Cemetery, in London Borough Of Richmond but managed by Hammersmith & Fulham Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sheen_Cemetery
East Sheen Cemetery, in London Borough Of Richmond and managed by London Borough Of Richmond
https://www.richmond.gov.uk/east_sheen_cemetery
Can you give any names of the relatives mentioned to look up, dates, places, occupations or do you want to keep names unknown to researchers.
If you find the relatives you mention in Ancestry you can send a message to people researching that family tree.
If you do not have Ancestry then go to your local library/local archives and use their Ancestry to contact your relatives (in your message you might want to also put your email address as the relatives would reply to the library service/archive service).
Hello,
I am searching my maternal grandmothers family, she was an orphan. The only definite I have of her is a school photograph which has a chalk board at the front stating Waterloo Street School Class 1. She had a brother she lost contact with before they were adults. I have found a school record which is a possible for being her but I don’t know how I can confirm it is her? I could not find a record of her brother. Can anyone help me please?
Searching since 1990.
Regards
Sheila
One of our regulars on this page has researched Waterloo Street School and states that the registers are held at the London Metropolitan Archive. Without names, dates and possible addresses it is difficult to suggest how to proceed. Armed with what you know the Archivist at LBHF based in Hammersmith Library on a Monday or Tuesday may be able to help.
Good luck
If you would like to leave names, dates, other useful information be happy to look up on Ancestry for you and then whatever else may be able to find elsewhere.
Hi. Firstly thanks to all for the great work done on here – always a fascinating read. I am trying to trace where my grandmother, Elizabeth Louisa Wall nee Pope was buried/cremated. She died from septicaemia in Western Hospital, Seagrave Rd in 1921. I have contacted LBHF cemeteries’ dept and they have no trace of her in any of their 4 cemeteries. They also have no records of her husband, my grandfather Albert Ballard Wall, who sadly committed suicide a little while after. Can anyone help please?
Also, I have heard that the Wall family may have had a pawnbrokers shop in Greyhound Rd?
Thanks for your time.
Perhaps your relative may have been buried in Brompton Cemetery in RBKC if they did not actually live in Fulham. Archives has the following inquests records,
Register of inquests held at Fulham Coroners’ Court
Date: Sep 1899 – Jan 1916 so it is possible that a record from the 1920s could still be with the local coroners court in Bagleys Lane.
Thanks for your help.Have checked and they’re not in Brompton Cemetery. They were both born in and lived in Fulham, but I guess not everyone has burial records. I just wondered if anyone had knowledge of Western hospital’s procedures regarding deaths.
Sadly my grandfather’s suicide was in Barking and Essex Coroner’s Court have been rather unhelpful.
Thanks again.
Hello David
Sorry to hear this sad story
1919 MARRIAGE
Name: Albert Ballard Wall
Marriage Age: 35
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1884
Marriage Date: 27 Apr 1919
Marriage Place: St Albans, Fulham, Hammersmith and Fulham
Father: William Albert Wall, bricklayer
Spouse: Elizabeth Louisa Pope
Name: Elizabeth Louisa Pope
Marriage Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1896
Marriage Date: 27 Apr 1919
Marriage Place: St Albans, Fulham, Hammersmith and Fulham
Father: George Pope, carman
Spouse: Albert Ballard Wall, soldier
1921 DEATH
Western Hospital
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hospital,_Fulham
Western Hospital
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/MAB-WFever/
Lost Hospitals Of London
https://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/western.html
Died of septicaemia Western Hospital, Seagrave Road
Western Hospital
https://www.mediastorehouse.com/mary-evans-prints-online/western-hospital-seagrave-road-fulham-7246729.html
Name: Elizabeth Louisa Wall
Death Age: 25
Birth Date: abt 1896
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1921
Registration district: Fulham
1921 BURIAL/CREMATION
Born and lived in Fulham
1923 MARRIAGE
Name: Albert Ballard Wall, widower
Marriage Age: 39
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1884
Marriage Date: 23 Dec 1923
Marriage Place: Hammersmith, Hammersmith and Fulham
Father: William Albert Wall
Spouse: Ellen Elizabeth Walker
Name: Ellen Elizabeth Walker
Marriage Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1896
Marriage Date: 23 Dec 1923
Marriage Place: Hammersmith, Hammersmith and Fulham
Father: Henry Walker, railway driver
Spouse: Albert Ballard Wall, railway servant
Railway Servant
http://www.unionancestors.co.uk/amalgamated-society-of-railway-servants/
1925 DEATH
Committed suicide in Barking
Not able to find reported story on British Newspaper Archives
Name: Albert B Wall
Death Age: 41
Birth Date: abt 1884
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1925
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
1925 BURIAL/CREMATION
Born and lived in Fulham
Ask for help
https://www.lbbd.gov.uk/local-archive-and-history-information
http://www.barkinghistory.co.uk/
https://www.eolfhs.org.uk/
1934 MARRIAGE
Name: Ellen Elizabeth Wall
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun 1934
Registration district: Hammersmith
Spouse: William Pullen
Have replied to this before, not showing up like other posts, is there a problem with software
1925 Nottingham Journal – Friday 11 September
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001898/19250911/178/0007
KILLED ON THE LINE DRIVER PULLS UP BUT TOO LATE
The determined but unsuccessful efforts which a driver made to stop his train on the Fenchurch-to Southend railway, in order to avoid running into the man, was told at Barking yesterday, when inquest was held on Albert Ballard Wall, Commer-Road, Fulham, employed on the underground railway. The driver of the train, Alfred Perry (Shoeburyness) when about 100 yards away, saw the man walking in front the train which was travelling about 40 miles per hour. He opened the whistle and pulled up in about train’s length, deceased was struck by the buffer and killed on the spot. It was surmised that owing to the man’s mental condition he walked in front of the train and verdict of “found dead” was returned.
1925 Nottingham Journal – Friday 11 September
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001898/19250911/178/0007
KILLED ON THE LINE. DRIVER PULLS UP BUT TOO LATE. The determined but unsuccessful efforts which a driver made to stop his train on the Fenchurch-to Southend railway, in order to avoid running into the man, was told at Barking yesterday, when inquest was held on Albert Ballard Wall, Commer-Road, Fulham, employed on the underground railway. The driver of the train, Alfred Perry (Shoeburyness) when about 100 yards away, saw the man walking in front the train which was travelling about 40 miles per hour. He opened the whistle and pulled up in about train’s length, deceased was struck by the buffer and killed on the spot. It was surmised that owing to the man’s mental condition he walked in front of the train and verdict of “found dead” was returned.
Hello,
My Father was born in 1927 & lived on Quarrendon St from about 1931 to some time before 1939. I am trying to establish where he would have gone to school as these would have been his primary school years. What would have been the closest school to this street during this period? Or is there somewhere you could direct me where there may be records I could look into? I believe it may have been a Catholic School he attended.
Kind Regards,
NR
The nearest school to Quarrendon would have been Peterborough Primary school, but this is not specifically a Roman catholic school this was in Clancarty Road with an entrance in Studdridge Street the other catholic schools are (1) along the New Kings Road, the Church of the Holy cross ,Ashington Road and (2) the other side of the Wandsworth Bridge Road the Church of our Lady of the Perpetual succour , Stephendale Road . the new Kings Road one is the most likely due to the differences in housing at that time
Hi there, I’m a reporter with the BBC Local Democracy Reporting Service based at My London (formerly Get West London) and I’m looking for experts on the history of the beautiful Hammersmith Bridge to talk to for a feature. I’m particularly interested in the IRA suitcase bombing and anyone who might have known or been related to Maurice Childs, the man whose quick-thinking saved the bridge. You can email me on talia dot shadwell at reachplc.com
Do you know when Rayleigh Road, W14 ceased to exist? I have found records that it was still in existence in 1938 so it could be war damage? Would you also know what is in its place now? And where would I look to find photos of it in the 1930s? Any help greatly appreciated.
It’s now called Lakeside Road. I think it changed in the mid to late 40s. Before it was called Rayleigh Road it was called Wharton Road.
Both set of my grandparents and all their families lived in the road for decades.
Thank you. My family came from there too. They were GREEN, GILLARD, BURGESS & PRICE. They ere on the 1927, 1930 and 1938 censuses. Various houses but Nos 65, 23, 59 and 88. Do you know if the houses in Lakeside Road are the same or have they been rebuilt.? Thanks again.
The houses are still the same. I went there last year. They are four or five storey town houses. Doesn’t look like there was any bomb damage in that road.
My family lived at various houses too; 95, 96, 100 and others from 1911 through late 1940s. Names are RICHARDSON, BONNER, CLARKE, PREECE. No doubt our families knew each, I’ll bet. Were any of the males in your families paper hangers/ decorators?
How interesting. The males in our family were mainly labourers, corner cutters, coal porter, machine reeler. The women were laundresses. I don’t live in that area, but I’ll have to venture over to take a photo and imagine what it used to be like. Thanks again.
You’re very welcome. I only asked about the occupations as my great grandfather was a paper hanger and used to hire lots of local men. I had noticed that a fair few of the males in and around Rayleigh Road were paper hangers so just wondered if yours were. Yes, you should go. It’s good to see where your ancestors came from; brings it to life a bit more.
If you come to the area do visit the LBHF archive in Hammersmith Library on a Monday or Tuesday as there are Photo collections, census and electoral registers.
Good luck
This Column has information about Rayleigh road if you scroll down to 14th Feb 2017
Hi,
I’ve also been researching Raleigh Road in Hammersmith.My great, great aunt lived at number 23 in 1907. It seems to have changed names a few times. It was changed from Wharton Road and re-named Rayleigh Road on the 13th of March 1906. It later became Lakeside Road and,I believe, it still exists according to google maps.
Hope this helps! 🙂
Thank you.
Catty,I’ve just seen that you also had ancestors who lived at number 23 Raleigh Road! When did they live there? My aunt was called Rebecca Bustard and this is her address on her wedding certificate in Oct 1907. She married an Austrian man, a hairdresser, named Jean Muller. He’s also listed as living there. I know it’s a long shot but would you happen to know anything about their time there? They left for Paris not long after that. She had previously been an acrobatic dancer in Paris. It looks like quite an affluent area so I presume she was in service?
Kind Regards,
Lynne. 🙂
P.S….. Rebecca was also known as Rissie. That’s the name on her wedding certificate.
I don’t think it was an affluent area at the time. It seems to me that many families occupied each of those houses. I assume a floor each.
Today the street is a mixture of slightly tatty rented houses still split into flats with others entire houses with all four of five floors (incl cellar and attic) and looking quite smart. A nice quiet road.
I definitely agree that wasn’t an afluent area, just looking through Census records for my ancestors who also lived close by, there seem to be several families in the one house and sometimes even a lodger.
I also don’t think it was an affluent area my, grandmother lived at 100 Rayleigh road for about15 years and had as far as I can find out so far had 7 children. She was poor, well certainly by the time I came along.
Kay, both my grandmother and great grandmother lived at 100 Rayleigh Road for years!
I have been researching my fathers family for a few years now but am having difficullty getting beyond his birth. I dont know if we are related but my Grandother lived at 100 Rayleigh road in 1920 the year my dad was born. Her name was Ellen Smith but she was called Nellie. Three more children were born at that address. My dad never talked about his childhood but before he died he told me that he had been put into care. I know the rest of the family then moved to surbiton in Surrey. Older children remained in Shepherds bush because I can remember visiting an aunt and uncle in Shepherds bush as a child.
Probably not related, I think. My family were at 42, 70, 72 and 95 in 1920. Have you checked out the other smith families in the street? I know it’s a common surname but families often stuck close by so maybe researching them a little might yield some clues?
Hello. My relatives had the surname GREEN. I’ve found records of them living at number 23 in 1927 and 1930. But I’m only at the beginning of my research. As others have said, it was not an affluent area at that time & the records show lots of individuals / families living at one address . I find it fascinating. But unfortunately I don’t know anything about your ancestors. Are you looking on ancestry.co.uk? That is my source of information. There is also something called the London Metropolitan Archives which has various records. Their enquiry team are very helpful. The details are: 02073323820 or ask.lma@cityoflondon.gov.uk
Good luck with your search.
Hi, research tells me that my GGrandmother Ellen Callan and possibly her daughter Ellen Clarn worked in the Fulham Laundry circa 1880’s but I have been told there were a couple of laundries, they lived in Prothero Rd Fulham, just off Rylston Rd. Before that they were in Stanley Cottages, the current site of Charing Cross Hospital. Does anybody know which laundry it was likely to be and where can I find any records of the Laundry please.
Hi, I recently acquired a photo and some postcards depicting members of the Hammersmith Salvation Army, date is probably 1910/20. Does anyone know the location of the Hammersmith Citadel as it is pictured and I would be interested to know if it is still standing. The photo depicts members along with girl guides, were the two organisations linked locally? Kind regards Paul Sutton-King
The nearest school to Quarrendon would have been Peterborough Primary school, but this is not specifically a Roman catholic school this was in Clancarty Road with an entrance in Studdridge Street the other catholic schools are (1) along the New Kings Road, the Church of the Holy cross ,Ashington Road and (2) the other side of the Wandsworth Bridge Road the Church of our Lady of the Perpetual succour , Stephendale Road . the new Kings Road one is the most likely due to the differences in housing at that time
The Salvation Army
Contact details
21-23 Dalling Road
Hammersmith
London
W6 0JD
Tel: 020 8748 9332
I’m looking for the address of the old Wallpaper Works on Bagleys Lane. My great grandfather was working there in 1930.
Also, do you have any records of a football team called Hever United, in the Fulham area in the early 20th century?
Thanks,
Chris
Hello Chris
V&A HISTORY OF WALLPAPER
https://www.vam.ac.uk/articles/a-brief-history-of-wallpaper
Could ask for details
I am researching my family tree on Ancestry.com but am having difficulty finding birth information on my great great grandmother known to us as Edith Ivy Benford. From looking at census I believe that she was born around 1888 in Fulham. There is rumour that there was secrets of her childhood. I don’t have any information on her parents and want to find out more to support me to continue building my family tree.
Hello Louise
I think this is your grandmother, sorry it is a sad news.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=815222.msg6764499#msg6764499
1885 BIRTH
Name: Edith Harriet Benford
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Marylebone
1885 BAPTISM
Name: Edith Harriet Benford
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Aug 1885
Baptism Place: St Marylebone, Westminster, England
Father: George Benford
Mother: Elizabeth Benford
1891 CENSUS
Name: Edith Benford
Age: 5
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1886
Father: George Benford
Mother: Elizabeth Benford
Birth Place: Marylebone, London, England
Civil Parish: Paddington
Household Members:
George A J Benford 11
Willie Benford 9
Ethel Benford 3
Maude Benford 9/12
Mary born later
1892 POOR LAW HOSPITAL
Mental to be examined, could be postnatal depression, could be any mental health condition
Name: Elizabeth Benford
Admission Age: 31
Record Type: Admission
Birth Date: abt 1861
Admission Date: 27 Jun 1892
Admission Place: Kensington and Chelsea, Chelsea, London, England
Name: Elizabeth Benford
Admission Age: 31
Discharge Age: 31
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Birth Date: abt 1861
Admission Date: 8 Jul 1892
Admission Place: Kensington and Chelsea, London, London, England
Admission Poor Law Union: Chelsea
Discharge Date: 12 Sep 1892
Discharge Place: Kensington and Chelsea, London, London, England
Discharge Poor Law Union: Chelsea
1894 DEATH
Name: George Benford
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Registration Year: 1894
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 35
Registration district: Marylebone
1894 POOR LAW SCHOOL DISTRICT REGISTERS
Name: Edith Benford
Admission Age: 9
Discharge Age: 9
Record Type: Register of Children 1885-1896
Birth Date: 1885
Admission Date: 28 Aug 1894
Admission Place: London, England
Discharge Date: 16 Nov 1894
School: Exmouth Training Ship and RC Schools
School District: Kensington and Chelsea
Mother: Elizabeth Benford
History On The River Thames/Training Ships Moored Off Grays Town
https://www.thurrock.gov.uk/history-on-river-thames/training-ships-moored-off-grays-town
There were two training ships named Exmouth: No 1 from 1876 to 1905 and No. 2 from 1905 to 1939. The first ship was loaned to The Metropolitan Asylums Board by the Admiralty and had been named after Viscount Exmouth, Admiral Edward Pellew.
Name: Edith Benford
Record Type: Discharge to St Joseph’s School
Discharge Date: 28 Aug 1894
Discharge Place: Kensington and Chelsea, Chelsea, London, England
1894 POOR LAW SCHOOL DISTRICT REGISTERS
Name: Edith Benford, Roman Catholic
Admission Age: 9
Record Type: Admission passed from St Marylebone
Birth Date: 1885
Admission Date: 16 Nov 1894 from St Joseph’s School
Admission Place: Kensington and Chelsea, Chelsea, London, England
Name: Edith Benford
Record Type: Discharge
Discharge Date: 17 Nov 1894
Discharge Place: Kensington and Chelsea, Chelsea, London, England
1895 POOR LAW SCHOOL DISTRICT REGISTERS
Siblings
George
William
Edith
Ethel
Mary
Maud
All go in and out of the workhouse
1895 POOR LAW SCHOOL DISTRICT REGISTERS
Name: Edith Benford
Admission Age: 10
Record Type: Register of Children 1885-1896
Birth Date: 1885
Admission Date: 28 Aug 1895
Admission Place: London, England
School: Exmouth Training Ship and RC Schools
School District: Kensington and Chelsea
Name: Edith Bendford
Admission Age: 10
Discharge Age: 12
Record Type: Register of Children 1896-1905
Birth Date: 1885
Admission Date: 28 Aug 1895
Admission Place: London, England
Discharge Date: 29 Apr 1897
School: Exmouth Training Ship and RC Schools
School District: Kensington and Chelsea
Mother: Elizabeth Bendford
1897 POOR LAW HOSPITAL
Name: Elizabeth Benford
Admission Age: 36
Record Type: Admission, think says mental ???
Birth Date: abt 1861
Admission Date: 9 Apr 1897
Admission Place: Westminster, London, London, England
Name: Elizabeth Benford
Discharge Age: 36
Record Type: Discharge
Birth Date: abt 1861
Discharge or Death Date: 12 Jun 1897
Discharge or Death Place: Westminster, London, London, England
Discharge or Death Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
1897 POOR LAW SCHOOL DISTRICT REGISTERS
Name: Edith Benford
Admission Age: 11
Record Type: Admission from Walthamstow School
Birth Date: 1886
Admission Date: 29 Apr 1897
Admission Place: Kensington and Chelsea, Chelsea, London, England
1897 POOR LAW SCHOOL DISTRICT REGISTERS
Name: Edith Benford
Admission Age: 12
Discharge Age: 12
Record Type: Admission and Discharge, admitted from workhouse
Birth Date: abt 1885
Admission Date: 17 Sep 1897
Admission Place: Westminster, London, Middlesex, England
Admission Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Discharge Date: 18 Sep 1897
Discharge Place: Westminster, London, Middlesex, England
Discharge Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
School: Roman Catholic Schools
School District: Westminster
1901 CENSUS
Unable to find Edith
Please help
1901 CENSUS
Name: Elizabeth Benford [Elizabeth Berry]
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Daughter
Mother: Harriett Berry
Birth Place: Marylebone
Civil Parish: Kensington
Household Members:
Harriett Berry 78
Elizabeth Benford 39
Has the mother abandoned her children or just can’t afford to keep them or has mental health condition and unable to cope
1901 CENSUS
Name: Ethel Benford
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Pauper
Birth Place: Na
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch West Kensington Park and St Matthew
Registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: St Josephs Schools
Maud Benford
Mary Benford
Other pauper girls
1911 CENSUS
Name: Edith Ivy Benford
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Cook Domestic (Cook)
Birth Place: FULHAM, LONDON, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Fulham
Street address: 34 Gledstanes Road, West Kensington W
Marital status: Single
Household Members:
Annie E Bowler 54
Lily Bowler 50
Charles Harold Bowler 42
Sarah Hunt 65
Nellie Ball 28
1911 CENSUS
Name: Elizabeth Benford
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Civil Parish: Kensington
Street address: 57 St Ervans Road, North Kensington, W
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: LAUNDRESS
Sub-registration district: Kensington North
1912 MARRIAGE
Name: Edith I Benford
Spouse Surname: Andrews
Registration Year: 1912
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Brentford
Records on Page: Name
William T Andrews
1922 DEATH
Name: Elizabeth Benford
Death Age: 59
Birth Date: abt 1863
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun 1922
Registration district: Brentford
1925 BURIAL
Name: Elizabeth Benford
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1925
Burial or Cremation Date: 12 1925
Burial or Cremation Place: Kensington and Chelsea, London, England
1939 NATIONAL REGISTER
Name: Edith I Andrews
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 10 Jul 1888
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: Hammersmith, London, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Inferred Spouse: William T Andrews
Household Members:
Rachel J Smith
1943 DEATH
Name: Edith I Andrews
Death Age: 55
Birth Date: abt 1888
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec 1943
Registration district: Hammersmith
Hello Louise
1885 Birth
Your grandmother is Edith Harriet Benford born 1885, Marylebone, mother’s maiden name Berry
People often didn’t know their real birth date, birth location
People often changed their names out of choice or to forget tragic memories
1891 Census
Father George, mother Elizabeth
Siblings William, George, Ethel, Maud
Mary born later
1892 Poor Law Hospital
Mother Elizabeth taken into be examined for a mental condition
This is the family secret
1894 Death
Father George dies
1894 to 1901 Poor Laws
Edith and siblings taken into care
This is the other family secret
1897 Poor Law Hospital
Mother Elizabeth taken into hospital again for mental condition
1901 Census
Unable to find Edith
Mother Elizabeth living with her mother Harriet Berry
Ethel, Maud and Mary in care
1911 Census
Edith working as a cook
Mother Elizabeth working as a laundress
1912 Marriage
Edith and William Andrews marry in Brentford
1922 Death
Mother Elizabeth dies in Brentford, indicating the family were reunited
1925 Burial
Mother Elizabeth is buried in Kensington
1939 National Register
Edith and William living in Hammersmith
with married daughter Rachel and blanked out member
1943 Death
Edith dies in Hammersmith
Does anybody remember Jean’s cafe in Estcourt road in the late 1950s…..?
If so I would love to hear from you
It was run by by mother and father
OLD HAMMERSMITH MARKET (BRADMORE LANE)
I have previously had some amazing responses to my comments on this site regarding the old market and my family (the Dear family). I have become conscious that, as the generations that directly worked within the market have passed, it has seemingly become a largely forgotten part of everyday Hammersmith life. I have also been surprised at how few photographs appear to exist of the Bradmore Lane market.
As a consequence, I have decided to establish a Facebook group page to remember and celebrate the market and a part of Hammersmith history that spanned nearly 70 years.The group page is titled “Old Hammersmith Market Remembered” and includes photographs that I have found (including my own family ones).
If interested, or able to add to the group, please feel free to visit.
Many Thanks,
Cary Sumpter
Re:the Rotunda, Shepherds Bush. I’m trying to find out more about the radical preacher Revd Robert Taylor and my great great grandfather’s first wife Georgiana Richards (married name Dorey). She sued Robert Taylor for breach of promise and was mentioned in a home office report in 1834 as a coffee shop proprietor at the Rotunda.
In 1844 she was sent to Newgate Prison for her part in the infamous Wills Forgery Scandal (after she had married my g.g grandfather Josiah Dorey).
I’ve got more ‘bits and pieces’ of info about them if anyone is interested.
This is another example of where searching the British online Newspaper archive will pay dividends, its quite cheap and very useful. The Law case should also be able to tracked down fairly easily. One of the snippets from the newspaper reads
“The Rev. R. Taylor was on Thursday amerced in damage* 2501., the English Court of Exchequer, for breach of promise of marriage given Miss Georgiana Richards, the housekeeper at the Rotunda where Taylor used to lecture. It is stated that Taylor has left the country.”
NB There was a Rotunda at Blackfriars that was known for Radicals in the 1830’s
My father’s surname was Coleshill from Fulham. My Ancestry DNA traces my DNA to the same area.
Do any Coleshill’s remaining in the area?
Sincerely,
Tracy Larocque
Coleshill is a very old name, and actually means river hill. It may have been a stream that fed Fulham moat on its way to the Thames. If you check 192.com which I believe is still based in Fulham they have one of the most comprehensive databases for finding people I searched for Coleshill and Fulham and they indicate that there are five persons With this name in Fulham possibly all one family .there are also some other 30 or so with that name also listed
Hi Tracy Iam related to the Coleshill family my Nan on my father side was one .A huge family yes still think a couple of my distant cousins still live in Fulham Know I found them on Face book and there is a huge family tree on Ancestry.Com of the Coleshill family
Hi all,
Does anyone have access to any Photographs of Oldham/Manchester Road off Silchester road and knowledge of which name it was 1st as i believe it was renamed before it was demolished.
K.pugh999@ntlword.com
Kevin
Manchester road 1871; Mersey Sreeet 1897; Oldham Road 1939;
I am looking for information about the Harwath Mausoleum in the churchyard at St Thomas of Canterbury RC Church in Rylston Road, Fulham. Does anyone have any clues about who the Harwath family were? It is a grand neo classical building, probably Edwardian, they must have been quite well established locally.
I am part of a group researching the names on the War Memorial in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.
One of these was William Wright who gave his birthplace as Hammersmith.
Date of Birth: – Not known. He was reported to be 21 when he was killed, meaning that he was born about 1897.
Address:- His last known address, which led to his being listed on the Dewsbury Cenotaph, was Ivy Cottage, Briestfield, where he is reported to have been a boarder with Henry Watson, a coal miner, and his wife.
Parents and Siblings: – Nothing is known about his family background; he is said to have been born in Hammersmith, at that time in Middlesex, now part of London, but it has not been possible to identify him among the many boys called William Wright. The Army apparently had no knowledge of anyone to whom effects and gratuity could be paid and medals issued.
Marital Status: – Single
Occupation: – He was employed, according to the Dewsbury Reporter, by Messrs Jaggar’s Grange Ash Colliery, Grange Moor.
Arm of Service: – Army – Rank – Private – Service Numbers 27921 and 22662. The second number is from the King’s Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, where he may have seen brief service.
Regiment: – At the time of his death William Wright was serving with the 11th Battalion of the Lancashire Fusiliers.
The 1901 census shows a family living at 41 Devonshire Road Chiswick with a son William whose age matches the above.
We have a photograph of him if that would assist.
Any help gratefully received
I am trying to find my father after no contact for 33 years! All I know is that his name is John Arthur Cocks. He is roughly around 55-65 years old and lived in Putney,Wandsworth and married my mum Louise Belinda Blanchard in the year 1976-1978? I was born in Putney and my date of birth is 14/12/1978 and I have a twin! I hope this helps and I look forward to hearing from you.
Putney and Wandsworth our outside our area but someone reading these pages may come up with something relevant. From personal experience I can tell you it will take some hard work and time to track down a person within the 100 year rule. The first step is to get hold of some documents such as you and your sister’s birth certificates and your Mum’s wedding certificate. The latter will give you more info about your father, there will also be witnesses who may still be alive and have knowledge of where your Dad is. Obviously original documents are the easiest ie that your Mum may have or have had. Free BMD here allows you to search for them online you can then request copies for a fee. The other approach is to use an online search company such as 192.com. They will charge you a fee but you could end up with a number of addresses worth investigating and you may get info such as job type which again could be useful. If you search J Cocks in London entry 22 looks interesting so may be worth paying.
Good luck
Hi,
I thought your readers might like to know about Gresham College’s 500th anniversary of our founder’s birth celebrations in 2019: we are holding a Tudor Festival series of free lectures, including one by the historian John Guy, who is publishing a new biography of Sir Thomas Gresham this year.
Tudor Festival: Sir Thomas Gresham and His World
Join us for a series of special events in 2019 celebrating the 500th anniversary of the birth of Sir Thomas Gresham. Discover the story of the College’s founder and benefactor, a merchant, financier and adventurer. In an age of violence, rivalries and persecutions, Sir Thomas Gresham was inspired by the new learning in the adventurous and magnificent Tudor Age to promote education that was free and open to all. His legacy has continued for over 400 years, as our programme of lectures continues to flourish – here in London and across the world.
https://www.gresham.ac.uk/series/gresham-500-celebrations/
Hello,
Can anyone please aid me in researching the life of Horace Edward Edalji?
I have picked up on the 1901 Census that he was living in Fulham. I know this is vague, but can anyone offer more details?
Thank you.
Best wishes,
Alan F. Jones
ALAN go on to ancestry see your man in 1891 census look at all the clues on the right
he changed his name to magee his wife name ?
and died in 11 june 1953 in ireland all on ancestry under hints probate as well
let me know how it goes vic hill
MAGEE
Hello Vic,
Thank you for the info. I have all of that plus more as he led a roaming life. What I am attempting to do is to try and add more specific details to his life in the locations where he lived. My interest in this man stems from the fact he was, Google: George Ernest Thompson Edalji’s brother and was ostracized by his family. A very complex story.
After all of that I am interested in any snippets of info about the man.
Best wishes,
Alan
thanks for reply can not any more than what you found out
vic
My great great grandfather William Hart was born in Essex but lived all his married life in the Hammersmith area. From the census returns
1871 26 Waterloo Place
1881 2, Alfred terrace, Uxbridge Road
1891 Richmond Road
1901 46 Pennard Road
1911 ”
He died at Pennard Road in 1911. He was a florist, on his death certificate it said Master Florist. I remember my mother saying he had a nursery. I would love to know where this could have been, and also to find out where he is buried.
Thank you
Hello Alison
1911 BURIAL
Name: William Hart
Age: 68, born 1843. died 1911
Buried: 29 Apr 1911
Cemetery: Acton Cemetery, Ealing, Grave R35/d, Interment 7713
NURSERY
https://booth.lse.ac.uk/
Usually use Charles Booth Survey for social history of area but could look for nursery
Otherwise ask local archives, he’ll be listed as a florist but finding out where his nursery was might be more difficult
My name is Christine ELKINS who is this daughter of James ELKINS who is the son of Ruth Antone who is a daughter of Indian Antone who is the son of James Wyse
Hello Christine
Your family appears to be American
Do you have Fulham & Hammersmith connections?
People travelled greatly between our two great nations.
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/114905101/person/370135166105/story
Hi, my Great Grandmother Ellen Callan from Prothero Road was said to have worked in the Fulham Laundry, where would that have been please?
I I’m trying to find out about a murder in the 60s on benbow road. Is there anybody out there to tell me more information
Hello Pamela
Percy killed his wife Patricia in 1968
Please can you help find Percy’s first wife Hilda in 1939 national register, if possible how Hilda
died, if possible how Percy died
Thank you for your help
1912 MARRIAGE
Matilda Ellen Worby marries Arthur A Curtis in Tynemouth, Northumberland
There are many children born Curtis/Worby
1920 BIRTH
Hilda Bessie Fodder born Jan-Feb-Mar Shoreditch, mother’s maiden name Porter
1932 BIRTH
Percy Mark Curtis born in Tynemouth, Northumberland, mother’s maiden name Worby
1939 BIRTH
Patricia Dawn Mills born Hampstead, mother’s maiden name Mills, so possibly illegitimate
1939 NATIONAL REGISTER
Percy Mark Curtis living with mother Matilda Ellen Curtis in Fulham and younger children
Mother Matilda born 1894, also known as Matilda Nunn, Matilda Stanley later
1939 NATIONAL REGISTER
Arthur Curtis, born 1891, living in Yorkshire
1939 NATIONAL REGISTER
Hilda Bessie Fodder
Please help
1939 NATIONAL REGISTER
National register taken in September, Patricia Dawn Mills born in October
Where is Patricia’s mother, unable to find only know last name
1952 MARRIAGE
Percy Mark Curtis marries Hilda Bessie Fodder in Fulham
1954 DEATH
Arthur A Curtis born 1891, dies Northumberland
1959 DEATH
Hilda Bessie Curtis dies in Wandsworth
How did she die?
1960 MARRIAGE
Percy Mark Curtis marries Patricia Dawn Mills in Hammersmith
1966 MARRIAGE
Matilda Ellen Stanley (changed name or married again?) marries Henry Nunn in Fulham
1968 DEATH
Patricia Dawn Curtis killed by husband Percy Mark Curtis
1968 Kensington Post – Friday 23 August
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0002501/19680823/020/0003Pr
Percy Mark Curtis, 36, unemployed killed his wife Patricia Dawn Curtis at their home in Benbow Road, Fulham
1969 DEATH
Matilda Ellen Nunn dies January, Fulham
1969 DEATH
Percy Mark Curtis dies in April, Paddington
How did he die?
Dear F&H historical society,
I work at Charing Cross Hospital and am moving to the area with my wife. We were wondering if it was possible to find out when the area damaged by the WWII bomb on Colehill Lane was rebuilt? The houses on the south side of Colehill Lane look like they are post-war construction but it is unclear exactly when they were built.
Many thanks, kind regards,
Hugo Farne
Some of the small sites were rebuilt in the early 50’s but the larger ones were not completed until the late 60s after which the government reduced funding. It can take a while to find the relevant approvals in council minutes. In the local archives at Hammersmith Library there is a photo file and sometimes a press cutting file for most streets that may give more information. Also checking the online catalogue for Colehill Lane shows there are some other documents too. So it may be worth a visit to the Archives on a Monday or Tuesday to check this out.
Hopefully someone reading this may have direct information.
Good luck
High Explosive Bomb :
Source: Aggregate Night Time Bomb Census 7th October 1940 to 6 June 1941
Fell between Oct. 7, 1940 and June 6, 1941
Present-day address
Colehill Lane, Shepherd’s Bush, London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham, SW6 6EE, London
Further details
56 18 NW – comment:
catoluge examples as referred to above
H901.939
Chronological list of bomb damage inflicted during the Second World War on the Metropolitan…
Book/Publication
H901.939 HAM
A Collection of photocopies of every bomb damage photograph within the collection
Book/Publication
Does anyone have any information on Fulham training college? My grandmother Mildred Olive Holmes was a student there around 1908.
From what I’ve been told my greatgrandparents did not approve of her attending but she did it anyway. I suppose it wasn’t considered an appropriate course for a young lady.
Fulham Training college was in Finlay Street. There should be snippets of information in the local papers.try searching the British newspaper library online files.
Hello Barbara
ORGANISATION OF EDUCATION IN LONDON
The Training Of Teachers
Fulham Day Training College
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-sQKAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=fulham+day+training+college+finlay+street&source=bl&ots=Zrprib4UpO&sig=ACfU3U2dl4UJLXE4g-4DisBffRA9dlcY1Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiw4tCKo53jAhUBMuwKHTQFBrsQ6AEwAXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=fulham%20day%20training%20college%20finlay%20street&f=false
LONDON METROPOLITAN ARCHIVES
Fulham Day Training College
1908 to 1913 Minutes
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/N13812616
Please could someone offer any information regarding an unexploded bomb that fell on – Lewis trust dwellings, vanston place- during ww2. A photo would be very much appreciated, my father lived in the building at the time and my son would like to show his teacher for a class project.
Thanks in advance.
Could be one of two sites. Check with Hammersmith archives,and the online catalogue.
High Explosive Bomb :
Source: Aggregate Night Time Bomb Census 7th October 1940 to 6 June 1941
Fell between Oct. 7, 1940 and June 6, 1941
Present-day address
Vanston Place, London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham, SW6 5UA, London
Further details
56 18 NW –
High Explosive Bomb :
Source: Aggregate Night Time Bomb Census 7th October 1940 to 6 June 1941
Fell between Oct. 7, 1940 and June 6, 1941
Present-day address
Farm Lane, London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham, SW6 1QP, London
Further details
56 18 NW – comment:
I see you’ve mentioned peggy fro m maurice street. She was my mums cousin.. She moved and I lost her address after the death of my mum.. If anyone can give me that it would be lovely to catch up with Karen.i can leave a number on which I can be contacted.. It’s
07903546409.
My name is Lisa.. I was phyls daughter from gloucester
Any info would be just lovely
Thanks
I am looking for information on 302 Fulham Palace Road. My grandmother was born there in 1929, and I am trying to find out who lived at that address during this time. Her mother worked at 91 Bishops Road around the same time so any information on this address too would be fantastic. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Check voters list at Hammersmith archives
Hello Cherry
91 Bishops Road lists as Dawes Road for 1928 and 1929 on Ancestry.
CONSTANT LAMBERT LIVED AT 302 FULHAM PALACE ROAD
http://www.notableabodes.com/person-abode-details/8421/constant-lambert-musician_302-fulham-palace-road-fulham-london
1929 LONDON ELECTORAL REGISTER
300-302 FULHAM PALACE ROAD
Hammersmith & Fulham
Fulham East & West
Charles Raymond Haynes
Evelyn Perham
Mark Noble Perham
1929 LONDON ELECTORAL REGISTER
300-302 FULHAM PALACE ROAD
Hammersmith & Fulham
Fulham East & West
Edith Burnett
Charles Raymond Haynes
Charles William Raymond Haynes
Nora Hodgson
Rose Mansfield
Evelyn Perham
Mark Noble Perham
Aroon Gwendoline Persee
Genevieve Ward
Hi,
My father, James Perkin, lived in Pilmico at the time of the Second World War, his family was from Essex. Would it be possible to find out what regiment he would have enlisted in. I do have have his numbered dog tags but as yet I haven’t been able to find him in British military records.
Regards, Peter Perkin.
There are about 155 records for J Perkins. In forces-war-records.co.uk. It may be worth getting a monthly subscription at £9 and checking them the names
There are 13 for Perkin. Were there Any other forenames. You can Get brief details of a regiment without having to pay if you can find the correct group of names on this website and it does list service nuumbers
Hello Peter
You can apply for your father’s service records here:
National Archives
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/second-world-war/
Veterans UK
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records
Hello, I am trying to find a newspaper article from the fulham and hammersmith chronicle dated between 1954 and 1960 of a story about a missing boy who was then found and he had been hiding at his friends house in a cupboard, there is a photograph of the boy and his 2 friends (twins). I have searched online for a while but have had no luck as yet
You could check to see whether Hammersmith archives have any newspaper index for the period, but it may well be a question of going through a hard copy or microfilm
I was drawn to this website by ” The changing face of Hammersmith and Fulham by Jane Kimber and Francis Serjeant. Are you able to provide me a copy of the article and any info about Jane Kimber and any other Kimbers living in those areas – names and addresses etc as I believe my great uncle William settled at Hammersmith. He was born around 1870 to Jeremiah Charles and Jane nee Pritchard. Thx
Jane Kimber was archivist for the libraries department, but don’t believe she lived in Hammersmith and Fulham . I did however myself have a relative who married a William M Kimber, who had property in Cadogan st and Shorrolds road Fulham, but no Hammersmith connections.
Your William may have been the son of my William who was William Joseph Kimber born in 1874 at Roxby Lincolnshire. His older brother George settled at Islington, London. I am still looking for info but was advised he had a son who he called William too.
I know you lot are the font of all knowledge in most things Fulhamish!
My father in law grew up in and around Bagleys Lane, and he’s been trying to remember the name of the plumber’s merchant or plumbing firm that he worked for, would have been around 1950-1952. He can remember that it was based in Dawes Road, but he’s really struggling to recall what they were called. Help me, o wise ones !
There’s a firm in Dawes Road now called Fulham Heating,, however, according to their website, they were established in 1974. They do pride themselves on friendly customer service and also having very good stocks though apparently!
Still checking for you,but there was also a large builders merchants at 101,103,107,109 Dawes road in 1939/40 called Witheridge and sons.
My name is Caner. Me and my team are film students from the University of the Arts London and we are tasked with a project to make a short documentary film based in the Hammersmith area. We are interested in making a film based on the Furnivall Sculling Club and we are hoping we can discuss this short film further with someone who works with the club or heavily associated.
We would appreciate the response and look forward to hearing back.
Regards,
Caner
Trying to find information on the life of Edward William Butler. He resided in Pennard Road, originally the family where from Essex but he was born Wolverton, Bucks in 1910
Believed to have lived in Shepherds Bush since 1950’s and worked in a local garage.
Any info would be great.
If you check on Ancestry a gentleman with the username Phil_Scott4 has posted Edwards full life story and family tree.
Hi there,
Do you have access to copies of the Fulham Chronicle from the 1950s? My grandad played for Fulham youth football team and was featured in the paper in 1954 (he thinks). There was a picture of him heading the ball. The game may have been against Chelsea youth. His name is Jimmy Jones. He is 80 next month so I’d love to be able to track that picture down if that would be possible?
I look forward to your response and appreciate your help.
Andy
Hammersmith archives andLocal history dept has the Fulham Chronicle.the British Newspaper library which is online also has the back files of course. It’s a sad reflection on the local newspapers that prided themselves on news, that when a lot of them became group newspapers, With a title page relevant to the area, but a lot of generic pages , that the companies centralised, got rid of the local offices and threw out back files.
FC is only on line to 1945. So it’s hardcopy or microfilm.
Andy,
Papers are stored at British library Kings Cross may be on film and may be to order over 2 days .
If you get stuck I will be going there this month and can check it out
But helps to be certain of year and also month if possible
Brian
I was searching the Brighton newspars for an item on the Newspaper library web site ,when I discovered something I thought I would pass on. There was a list of the local hotels and guest houses together with their guests or residents names. So much for security issues .so it would appear that one might be able to see where ones relatives holidayed and their wealth by the type of accommodation they rented and for how long!!
Hi,
I am a retail designer involved in some upgrading work to the current Bayley & Sage store at 30-34 New Kings Road. The scheme will involve a rear extensionto knccrease trading area at ground floor level, refurbishment of the existing timber shopfronts and the removal of the existing aluminium shopfront in no32 replacing this with a timber shopfront that is more in keeping with the age of the property.
I understand that these properties fall within the conservation area. Can you please confirm this. Before I submit anything to the council for planning permission I would very much value your views and contribution on the design direction for the frontage and rear extension.
I think your enquiry should be to The Fulham Society. They have a watching and lobbying brief on planning and conservation. info@fulhamsociety.org . Our focus is very much on fostering an interest in history.
Good luck
Check out the term Parsons Green conservation area on Hammersmith council web site, for complete picture. The properties are in the conservation area and it mentions, specifically on the intro page
New Kings Road
Nos. 26 to 38 (even) (added June 2000)
Hello
I am trying to find out the history of The Queen Caroline estate. Does anyone know exactly when it was built? I understand there was a big fire in or around the site in the 1950s and the estate was built to rehouse people whose homes were being demolished on Hammersmith Rd. Is there any further info and maybe who decided to change the name of Queen st to Queen Caroline st.
Thank you
To celebrate its 50th anniversary, London Archaeologist is holding its first ever conference on Saturday 6th October – a celebration for everyone who has been involved or interested in London’s archaeology over the past five decades.
Held in collaboration with King’s College London Classics Department, the conference will take place at the Franklin-Wilkins building at King’s Waterloo campus, on 6th October from 10am to 6pm, with a party to follow for all attendees.
In presentations taking us from the archaeology of the 1960s to archaeology in the future, a terrific range of speakers will look at developments in archaeology from museums to major sites, from excavations to finds, from industrial to foreshore archaeology, from volunteers to professionals.
We’ll have papers from trailblazers such as Peter Marsden and Harvey Sheldon, through osteoarchaeologist Jelena Bekvalac and finds specialist Michael Marshall, to Jane Sidell of Historic England and Roy Stephenson of Museum of London, and many more.
To round off the day, five directors of leading contracting units will form a panel to consider how archaeology will fare in the next 50 years, and we’ll finish with that party to celebrate all we’ve experienced over 50 years.
BOOKING WILL CLOSE BY 4TH OCTOBER AT THE LATEST.
To book your tickets, which include the full day conference, morning coffee and a drink at the party, go to the Eventbrite site here:
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/50-years-of-londons-archaeology-tickets-45718893441 .
Note that at time of sending, we also still have a few free tickets
available for students in full time education on Eventbrite.
For more information on the conference and London Archaeologist’s other 50th anniversary activities, see our LA50 page on the LA website:
https://www.londonarchaeologist.org.uk/
Iam trying to find out if anyone one did manage to find a photo thought to be of the first ever Fulham St Andrews football team know there was one a very grainy and someone whose name I have forgot (sorry ) who wrote a blog and who put the photo up Reason I would love a copy is my great great uncle played for them.and was in the photo Frederick Keefe .Many thanks
Hello Karen I’ve found a picture from 1889
Hello Karen I’ve found a picture of the Fulham St Andrews from 1889.
Hi, I believe that my GGrandmother Ellen Clarn worked in the Fulham Laundry and possibly at least one of her daughters, Ellen, born 1881. The family lived at 20 Prothero Road in the latter years and possibly Bear Alley earlier. Ellen the mother had her first child in 1879 so I know that she worked there for many years.
My question is how can I confirm this information please, are there any records that have survived perhaps.
My kind regards,
Pam Hausler
Hello Pam
Good luck with your research, didn’t realise laundries could be so interesting!
FAMILY HISTORY RESEARCH FORUMS
Each forum focuses on slightly different areas of family history research, so one of the forums will focus on ‘occupations’ and you could ask questions about working at a laundry. The forums below are excellent, have helped me many times when either hit a ‘brick wall’ or wanted to learn more about a subject.
You need to give as much precise information you have when you ‘post’ your first post onto a thread, to help the researchers as much as possible.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/forum/
https://www.british-genealogy.com/
https://forum.familyhistory.uk.com/
https://www.genealogyforum.co.uk/forum/index.php
FAMILY HISTORY RESEARCH FORUM
BRITISH GENEALOGY/OCCUPATIONS
Can post a thread on here and ask about the laundry work
https://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/162-Occupations-general-forum
BRITISH NEWSPAPER ARCHIVE
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=%22achong%20laundry%22&phrasesearch=achong%20laundry&retrievecountrycounts=false&sortorder=score
For our research we have used:
Ancestry WORLDWIDE
Find-My-Past WORLDWIDE
http://www.FamilySearch.org
Internet forums, family history
Internet forums, specialised, e.g. our Victorian female ancestor made concertinas and a concertina forum knew where she worked, how she travelled to work, made at home, made at the premises!
Local, national and international archives
Local, national and international museums
Local schools
Local churches
Local hospitals
Local, national and international FHS family history societies
Local, national and international historical societies, such as Fulham & Hammersmith
Local, national and international newspapers and magazines
Ordering birth certificates, marriage certificates and death certificates to learn more about the family.
Just typing in a full name on the internet, with a date, with a location, etc: I typed in my great-grandfather’s full name and found him in a hospital archive as a little boy with his leg crushed from a horse and cart accident, the family knew the rumour of the accident and that sadly he became an alcoholic to help dull the constant pain.
Good Morning from Pennsylvania! I am wondering if you have info on a place called Munster House Asylum. My 2nd Gr Grandfather, Christopher Charles Baxter died there in 1868. I would love to know more about the place and possibly find out what his story was. Thanks for your time! Kathie
I have a relative noted to be in an asylum but understand from the record this to be a place of shelter if you were both sick and poor rather than insane.
Munster house or Mustow house Was A house that was most probably built in Elizabethan times it is said to have been used for hunting exploits of the Merry Monarch Around 1664 . Charles Feret. Wrote a lengthy account in Fulham old and new and which can be found on the web free to download there are a number of pages relating to the history of the house with photographs. you mention into particular the Mental asylum and a copy of a book by Faulkner that was held in the vicarage Had a postcard inserted in it and a picture of the house,with the following inscription “ a house for gentlemen nervously and mentally afflicted proprietor Mr. Cyrus A. Elliott”; The reverse of the card was inscribed Munster house , near Fulham , London , 3 miles from Hyde Park Corner . for the care and recovery of nervous epileptic and insane Genteman proprietor Mr C a Elliott Munster house was the hunting seat of his Majesty King Charles the second , contains 29 rooms. It is situated on the road from London to Fulham in the highest part of the parish and upon a gravelly soil. the pleasure grounds are 8 acres waled in studded with nobl trees and comprise lawns, a Meadow Orchard , Bowling Green , greenhouse , bowling alley, billiard and reading rooms and detached buildings for recreation and amusements . An additional house has been built containing a hall, large And lofty dining rooms, sitting and bedrooms , 17 separate rooms , washing and bathing rooms and a padded room and arefectory ward doing away with the mechanical restraint and rendering classification complete.The 1841,51 and 61 census should list occupants.
Thank you, Mr Burgess! Some great info. I will try to find the resource you mentioned. Since he was there only from 1867-1868, I wonder if there are other sources besides census records? Believe it or not, in Pennsylvania, I was able to apply for and get actual hospital records from 90 years ago…quite amazing!
I’m trying to find pictures or information about my family from wigan England. My great grandfather had a bike shop his last name is Greenalghe first name Christopher. Help please anything about the family.
Thank you
Hi, Fulham and Hammersmith are a long way from Wigan in Lancashire so unless your greatgrandfather set up shop in London ist unlikely we would be able to trace anything here. This site for the Local Archives gives you a start for your Wigan search.
Not sure if your ggf’s name came out right Greenhalgh and variations is a British name.
Suggest you try FindMyPast or look at similar area on Ancestry.
Hope this helps. Good Luck
Hello Janice
There is a Chistopher Greenhalgh, 1939 living in Kensington and Chelsea, Kensington North, 38 St. Lawrence Terrace
Is this him, did he move from Wigan to London
If it is him check the business directories for his bicycle shop
There are many Christopher Greenhalghs born in Lancashire
Hello,
I was placed in Nazareth House in Hammersmith in 1960 till 1964, along with two of my brothers, Barry and Jimmy. Can anyone give me any information please?
I think this link may be of help if you have not already visited it. From the lack of replies it seems no one using this site has more detail.
Good luck with your search.
In the early sixties when I was in my last years at school, a few of us went regularly to take out children from Nazareth House. I loved going and remember it as a happy place with clean, well fed children.But in the light of all that is going on I doubt my memories. My mum always gave me money to buy sweeties for the children and we usually went to the park. I just remember it as a happy place. I hope my memories are right.
jacqueline chute, I was there from 1962-1972.I have some photos but i may of been to young.
I am enquiring whether there are any old photos (circa 1901) of 457 Fulham Road. My great grandfather ran a business there .
This shop is located in the Fulham road almost opposite Brompton cemetery entrance. It located in Kensington and Chelsea
Thank you for your reply. I did find the shop recently i was just interested to see if any old photos of the building exijjst.
Hello,
Does anyone remember The Sisters of Charity in Hammersmith I am not referring to Nazareth House which was an orphanage. They lived in a beautiful house I think in the Mall.
Should like to hear from anyone out there.
Regards Josie
The Sisters of Charity of St Vincent and St. Paul had a foundation in the parish of The Holy Ghost and St. Stephen Shepherds Bush. It was located at 30 Ashchurch Grove.
For a brief historical survey of the catholic institutions of Hammersmith and Fulham read Pope’s Corner by Denis Evinson
The sisters of Charity at 22 Upper mall who owned this convent and a few buildings to the east were in fact the Irish Sisters of Charity. They arrived in 1920, and moved in on 25th Jan 1925 , and into a house originally housing the household of Catherine of Braganza, having knocked down a few cottages , and purchasing a piece of land , in 1927 they were able to open a hostel for Irish business girls. The nuns did a great deal of visiting and social work and documents exist in manuscript recording their day to day activities, including the difficulty they had getting their furniture through the front door of no 22… A History or Hammersmith. FHHS
Hi
I am trying to find out about my fathers history. He was born in Castle Street Fulham, his mums name was Victoria Maud Polson. Dads name was James Wyse Polson (28.2.1920). His mum was a book keeper for an electrical company, which I assume was unusual then. I think she must have been a single mum as no mention of a dads name on his birth certificate. Dad was fostered by Mrs Oddy who lived in Brighton but apparently kept in touch with his mum until he joined the Navy at 14. Bit of a long shot but I don’t know where to go from this
I hope someone can help
Kind regards
Ruth
Hello Ruth
My next traunch of research seems to have disappeared but looking at your posts came up with the same information:
ADA ODDY
1917 Marriage Ada Sarah Matthews marries Jack Oddy in Fulham age 31
1920 London Electoral Register living with John Oddy at 74 Stephendale Road Fulham
1939 Census Ada S Oddy living with James W Polson at 13 Over Street Brighton
1973 Death Ada Sarah Oddy Brighton
1973 Probate would it mention James and his mother MIss Polson
WILLIAM ROBERT WYSE
1927 London Electoral Register living at 40 Lillie Road
FREDERICK ROE WYSE
Born 1893 Fulham
FRANK HAROLD WYSE
1903 Born Fulham
1903 Baptised Barnes, illegitimate, mother Marian living in 15 Berkeley Gardens, Fulham
1939 Census refrigerating engineer, electrical?
JAMES WYSE POLSON
1939 Census Able Seaman GPO living at 13 Over Street, Brighton with Ada Oddy
FRANKLYN MUNDY POLSON
1928 London Electoral Register 99 Talgarth Road, relative?
ADAM WILLIAM POLSON
1927 Marriage to Elsie Amy Johnson in Fulham, relative?
There could be other Polsons for finding James’ mother and other Wyses for possibly finding James’ father, search through the London Electoral Registers for Fulham (but the father could have lived anywhere in London and the electrical company could have been anywhere in London not just Fulham). A DNA test might be the answer to find your relatives unless you have other snippets of information to research.
Does anyone remember W & G STORES in the Shepherds Bush area. My dad used to work at Television Centre in Wood Lane and he was always buying records, cassettes and CDs from W & G Stores. They had a massive selection and very knowledgeable staff across all genres.
Anyone remember this store and/or have memories of it?
Thanks in advance.
The shop was mid way down Shepherds Bush Market under one of the arches. When you first went in through the door there were racks of records. The sales counter was at the back of the shop. Looking at the counter, to the right were listening booths. You could take a record to the counter and they would put it on a turntable. You then went into a booth and could listen on headphones.
Hi David,
Read your email with interest.
I was living in Shepherds Bush from the age of 10 until 19 when I moved to Middx early 70s!
On a Saturday my Father always took me to this record shop such joy and the smell of vinyl when entering!! We never left without buying an LP.
We had quite a collection of records! Sadly, when my Father passed way my brother who was clearing the loft came across them. He will keep them now.
Regards Josie
If you go to my page and look in the shepherds bush album, you will fing photos of the market and WG Stores where many brought their records. https://www.facebook.com/HammersmithPalaisOldSkool/
the mention of W G STORES and the memories come flooding back, Always put my head in there on my way home from school,Happy Days. Regards.
During the late 60s & early 70s WG supplied QPR with records to play on match days. I had a soft spot for them for that reason.
Hi
Please can anyone help me locate Caroline Place, Fulham, where it may have been?
Thanks in advance
Hello Jane
There is a Caroline Walk in Lillie Road near Fulham Cross opposite 332 but the old houses down there have all gone now .
Good Luck .
Thank you Len!
Lillie Road was always mentioned by Grandad so I’m certain that must be it. Researching old family addresses so that I can visit and take photos, as close as I can. Thanks again, much appreciated
I’m trying to find out about a motor garage called M.A.P. Motors of 20a Waterford Road, Fulham. This could have been any time between about 1925 and 1960. Any information at all would be most welcome. Thanks.
Hi, was there a Goodson Road in Fulham in 1940? Doing so family tree work and received a copy of my great grandmothers marriage certificate and has her ladders as 12 Goodson Road, Fulham, but I can’t find it on map.
Can anyone help?
Goodson Road had a north side and a south side, and I believe was located by the Lillie road , and parallel to it, and has been absorbed into the Clem Attlee estate, approx opp. the present School
My grandmother was born at 6 Goodson Road
Fulham. My great grandmother was Eunice Cornell who married Carlton Allsop. Lots of buried secrets in this family! Before l married l lived in Lillie Road and went to school at Beaufort House Primary School in Lillie Road
Hi Jo. You could join the I GREW UP IN FULHAM FB Site you might have some luck there with old photos 👍
Thank you
I remember going to Palmers with my grandmother. They used to have a Father Christmas and you paid for a photo And a gift. Five years ago, the last time I was in England, approximately on the corner of Hammersmith Broadway and King Street, a photography shop had a huge sepia photo of Palmers in their window.
If you look at my facebook page Hammersmith Palais Old Skool and go to the Hammersmith album, you will find photos of Palmers store which later became Littlewoods.
Hello,
I am trying to trace my paternal line. My paternal grandfather was born Frederick Abel Cole in 1912 to Edith Cole of Hammersmith Grove according to his birth certificate. He was later adopted.
I have found it difficult to find out anything else about Edith or her family but am very keen to know more. Any help you could give would be gratefully received.
mcindoevictoria@gmail.com
Hi have you tried Ancestry or Find my Past to check the 1911 census for Hammersmith Grove. You may get clues from Edith’s status in the household and who the other occupants were; particularly the head of household. Good luck.
Hi
1911 census states Edith was single age 18 living with parents
Alfred Septimus Cole and wifeLucinda Ellen at 134 Hammersmith Grove with brother Thomad Alfred age 16
And niece Anthea Beatrice May age 17
Looks like Edith had an illegitimate baby and the parents wouldn’t allow it to be kept.
My mother lived at no 135 opposite and these tall buildings tended to be divided for three flats
Alfred the father was a motor coach builder it’s possible he worked at the Chiswick factory that built London General Buses
Brian
Thank you
I used to live at 53 Lillee Roadwhich I believe has been pulled down. I would be interested in seeing any photos there are of the house and / or surrounding properties.
What years did you live there? Did you go to the Sir John Lillie School too? I was there from 1954-58 as my family lived very close by. There are certainly old maps of the area available online, a well as photos.
Hi Vic, I lived there from 1948 to 1952. We moved just before I was due to start school. There was a couple in the bottom flat ( I think their name was Miles ) my Grandparents and aunts rented the middle two floors and my parents and I had the top 2 rooms. I can find maps but no photos of that era.
If you go to Images on your search engine and then Google Lillie Road 1950 (be sure to get the spelling right) there are loads of images. Also try it with different dates. The London electoral rolls are also available on Ancestry.
Thank you
Hi, if you don’t have any luck on line as Vic suggests you could contact the LBHf archive in Hammersmith Library – (archives@lbhf.gov.uk). There is a charge for copies but they should be able to tell you what they have.
If you look at my facebook page Hammersmoth Palais Old skool, go to the Fulham album and you will find hundreds of old Fulham photos
Hi. I’m trying to find out about an Orphanage my Father was put in, around 1919/1920 in Fulham. How can I find any records please.
Many thanks
My grandmother was sent to an orphanage in 1923 called “Twynholm” – at 710, Fulham Road.
Unfortunately I haven’t been able to find much out about it but I know it was a house divided into 2 with girls in one half and boys in the other. I’m pretty sure her brother went there too. Good luck
Hello Sam
There is a Twynholm Hall at Fulham Cross which is in Lillie Road at the junction with Munster Road. SW6
Good Luck
Twynholm I believe was built as a p
Public House but was never used as such. I think it became a church,. “Fulham Old and New” published in the 1890s; there is/were copies in the Central Library in Fulham has some information I think
Thanks for your responses.
Yes, I think Twynholm House at Fulham Cross was later taken over by Sidney Black as a Baptist church.
He opened Twynholm orphanage on Fulham Road and it was ran quite strictly Baptist, as Nan recalled, with frequent visits to Twynholm church!
I’d love to hear from anyone who had relatives connected to Twynholm orphanage in the 1920’s.
This is a copy of an old postcard showing Twynholm Orphanage
Hi Peter,
I’d love to see the postcard but I can’t see it.
Could you possibly re-post image?
Thankyou!
I did try to post the picture but for some reason this site doesn’t appear to show images. If you email me I’ll send it.
I’m trying to find out about ryecroft children’s home in teddington Middlesex and the staff who worked there
Hi Teddington is outside our borough, suggest you try this link. You may not find much due to the 100 year rule. Try looking for managers or contacting the council. Have you found this link to the Teddington Society History Group. Good luck.
Hello, I worked there around 1975-76.
Cathy
I was there . Was there a Pamela Curtis when you were there
I was there . Was there a Pamela Curtis when you were there. I was there for 4 years.
I was there but I hated being there
I was one of the residents
hello Pamela,
I think you were probably there after I had left. When I was there it was a children’s ‘home’ rather than a hostel, with about 20 children aged 3-17, with a couple called Mr and Mrs Knott in charge, and various staff known as aunties, including me. It was pretty dreadful, and if you were there I am not surprised you were unhappy. I was very young and inexperienced at the time, but over the years I have often wondered about the children who had to survive such places. I hope you went on to find some stability and happiness in life.
Cathy
Hi Cathy
I found the place very hard to cope with. Which staff do you remember and I will see if I know anybody.
I was there when the manager Peter Martin was there. There was about 20 of us . Some of the staff was ok but I got bullied by the other kids.
nice education system.
Hello
I wonder if any of your members can tell me about residents of Parsons Green around 1790, or give me an idea of the extent to which an archival search would reveal things.
I have just come across a cello by William Forster, the maker to the Royal family at that time, with an inscription inside that indicates that his workshop was at Parson’s Green. We know that he had a string of prestigious retail shops on the Strand, and this information is entirely new to us.
He remains well recognised as one of the greatest British makers in history, so discovering a little bit more about him would truly be interesting.
If any of your members could point me in the right direction, or if the name William Forster is familiar to them from about the 1770s to the 1840s (there were four generations of William), that would be an amazing help. I’m hoping to publish the cello when I know more, I would be more than happy to pas the article to you as well.
My best
Ben Hebbert
Not going into the archive for a couple of weeks so it may be worth emailing direct to the archivist. archives@lbhf.gov.uk . The archives based in the Hammersmith Library (1st floor) have microfiche of the rate books available and there is name based index card system that sometimes contains a gem or two. Good luck.
We will certainly be interested to hear about such an interesting craftsman/businessman.
Is there still a pub where the greyhound on kings road used to be and if so what is it now called , many thanks
Hello Dale , kings road would come under L B of kensington & chelsea
Or did Dale mean the Greyhound on Fulham Palace Road?
if he did mean the one on Fulham Palace Rd, yes there was one in its place, but that to has now shut down.
Hello! I am doing some genealogy research on my family and have hit a dead end with my great-grandfather William Albert Jackson who was married and died in Fulham.
Facts I know to be true:
Date of Birth – 17 May 1910
Married September 1931 to Edith Simmons in Fulham
Died March 1942 in Fulham from tuberculosis at the age of 32 and is buried in an unmarked grave in a cemetery in Fulham.
I remember my grandmother having said he was involved with aircraft at one point and I did find a UK Royal Navy Registry document with his name on it from May 1928. Could anyone tell me if the UK Royal Navy was involved with aircraft in 1928 in the Fulham area?
My goal is to try and determine William’s parents as the story ends with him at this point. Many thanks in advance for any help you can provide!
Kindly,
Erin
If you obtain a copy of Williams marriage certificate it should give you his fathers name and occupation.
Hi Erin
Hopefully you have done Ancestry or Find My Past (one or other usually free in libraries). Marriage certificates can be useful with witness names so do send for marriage and birth certificates. You can also try Free BMD. Try this https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?scan=1&r=123770025:8334&d=bmd_1528955346” link to a birth registered in June.
As for the RN in Fulham you had Airships at Wormwood Scrubs. See this https://slindonatwarmyblog.wordpress.com/ww1-airship-station/and also this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormwood_Scrubs.
The Archive at LBHF (archives@lbhf.gov.uk) is also very useful and may have more info if you can get an address from your Grandmother.
good luck
Thank you for your leads! Do you know where I would request a copy of his marriage certificate? There seem to be no online scans of his marriage documents and I presently live in the United States. I am active on ancestry.com, which has been instrumental in obtaining information, but have not found much on William A Jackson there.
Kindly,
Erin
Hi Erin
You can order a copy of the marriage certificate on line on the general Register Office website:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Peter
The Heritage of London Trust’s summer conference is on London’s international history, and will be held at the Society of Antiquaries, Burlington House, Piccadilly on Friday 15 June.
His Royal Highness, The Duke of Gloucester, KG, GCVO, will address the conference.
Please find the flyer and booking link here – http://heritageoflondon.org/events/
We do hope to see you on 15 June.
I am interested in talking to a member of the society for a new magazine being produced for Olympia London, particularly in relation to the Blythe Road area. Needless to say, we’re working to a tight deadline, so over the next day or so would be great!
I have no info but would be really interested to read your article as my family lived on Blythe road for four decades (and Rayleigh road now Lakeside ). Please let us know when it is published.
Hello,
Seeking information on May Elizabeth Parry of 12 Seymour Place, Fulham. She gave birth to my great grandfather, Douglas Herbert Parry on the 9th of May 1908 at the Queen Charlotte Hospital in Marylebone. Her occupation is listed as a Cashier (Tea Rooms of Fulham).
My grandfather was illegitimate and no father is listed on his birth certificate. I’ve exhausted all avenues I can think of trying to find out more about May, the only information I can find is this birth extract and the baptismal certificate for my great grandad, which sheds no further light on the matter.
Any help would be fantastic as I am at a loss.
Regards
Jay
Hello Jay
Robert Whitcomb Denning may be the father of Douglas
May Elizabeth Parry may be a false name, the only ones who come up on Ancestry are age 10 in 1908 (and used name combinations/similar names)
A DNA test would tell you without these vital facts for record searching
1901 CENSUS
Robert Whitcomb Denning is a waiter at a club, age 18, born in Knightsbridge, living in Westminster
Father George and mother Sarah
There are three families on Ancestry to contact
1908 LONDON ELECTORAL REGISTER
Robert Whitcomb Denning, living in Marylebone West, Westminster,
12 Seymour Place
1908 BIRTH
Douglas Herbert Parry, born at Queen Charlotte’s Hospital, St Marylebone, illegitimate birth
Mother May Elizabeth Parry (may be false name), maiden name left blank, living at 12 Seymour Place, working at Fulham Tea Rooms as a cashier
1908 BAPTISM
Douglas Herbert Parry, mother May Parry, father left blank, baptised at St Mark, St Marylebone Road, Westminster
1911 CENSUS
Robert Whitcomb Denning is a waiter at a club age 27, born in Knightsbridge, living in Hove, Sussex with parents
Hello Lorraine,
Thank you very much for your reply.
“May Elizabeth Parry” is indeed a mistake, deliberate or otherwise I cannot tell.
Her name was actually “Elizabeth Mabel Parry” born in Kensington during April of 1883, to “Joseph James Parry” and “Elizabeth Ellen Parry nee Darch” This I established through DNA from myself and my grandmother.
Of some interest, when I punch 12 Seymour Place Fulham into Google, it comes up with the Carpenters Arms Pub.
I still do not have any information on her adult life after the 1911 census, where she is working as a “Duster” with her sister Edith at 17 Tournay Road, Walham Green. I cannot find any more information via Ancestry, even through family trees. I will definitely look into Mr Robert Whitcomb Denning.
Thank you again. Hopefully I can find out what have to her after 1911.
Jay
Hello, I am writing from Western Australia (but hope to visit London later this year) and I am trying to find information on Walter William Parry (c.1798 – 1860) the earliest paternal relative I have been able to trace. He was a market gardener on or near the Kings Road in the mid 19thC. His fifth child (also Walter William Parry) left for Australia in 1856.
I have yet to find a birth record, but I am also keen to pinpoint his final residence which is listed as 3 Caroline Terrace, Kings Rd, Fulham. He was survived by his wife Catherine, and is buried at Brompton Cemetery.
Any information or assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Yours sincerely
Simon Parry
odysseybookshop@westnet.com.au
West London Nursery Gardens by E.J. Willson, mentions an entry in Feret Fulham old and New Vol 2 p85, that gives the information that the noted nursery of a Henry Parry (Parry and Co.)was in Sands End, part of the Kings Road …the main thoroughfare and private road of the King from Buckingham Palace Mews to the bridge at Fulham (1729—)Very little is known, except that it consisted of four acres,of freehold land, bounded on one side by Chelsea Creek, NB some of this is now filled in.)with a frontage of 162 feet on the Kings Road;it included a neat brick dwelling house, with a piece of garden ground nearly encircled by a brick wall and it was sold by a Mr Raine at the Rainbow Coffee house in Cornhill on April 22nd 1803, and the auctioneers sale bill say it is held by Mr Parry ,florist, and 12 guineas per annum.
Many thanks! Potentially another piece in the puzzle. I will attempt to follow this up.
G’day Simon,
Have you been DNA tested? I can find no information on my great grandfather other than his mother being listed as May Elizabeth Parry or 12 Seymour Place, Fulham. He was illegitimate and no father was listed on his birth certificate. I’m grasping at straws, may be their is a connection, who knows.
regards
Jay
In 1911, Margaret Allen was at 307 North End Road in Fulham. Can you tell me if the buildings currently at that address were built before 1911?
Thanks,
Sharon in California
Hello Sharon
They look old, contact the local archives they should know
https://www.google.com/maps/place/307+North+End+Rd,+Hammersmith,+London+W14+9NS/@51.4857246,-0.2027047,3a,75y,67.31h,110.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8cc1BoDBAyTD1hTy5y7QiQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D8cc1BoDBAyTD1hTy5y7QiQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D76.70076%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x48760f90559e6db1:0xb8dcab915152ad83!8m2!3d51.4857548!4d-0.2025
Dear members I’m writing on behalf of the Morgan Giles family. Frank Morgan Giles is a very famous boat builder, designer and racer who was active from 1900 to the early 1960s. According to family tradition he set up
business as a boat builder / designer, possibly also offering a chandlery service, from 1902 “under the arches of Hammersmith bridge.” If you have any information about boatyards therabouts from that time, or could direct us where to look we would be most grateful. At the moment we are drawing a blank! with every good wish Clare McComb.
Hello Sharon
They look old, contact the local archives they should know
https://www.google.com/maps/place/307+North+End+Rd,+Hammersmith,+London+W14+9NS/@51.4857246,-0.2027047,3a,75y,67.31h,110.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8cc1BoDBAyTD1hTy5y7QiQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D8cc1BoDBAyTD1hTy5y7QiQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D76.70076%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x48760f90559e6db1:0xb8dcab915152ad83!8m2!3d51.4857548!4d-0.2025
Hello Clare
Could only find City Yard by the Thames
Should be able to find the business in business directories, found another business under the arches with bridge arche address
In 1901 Morgan-Giles moved to London and started a business in Hammersmith designing small wooden boats. Harry May joined him in 1909, they formed Morgan Giles & May Naval Architects and Yacht Builders, the boat building yard beside the River Thames in Hammersmith known as City Yard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Charles_Morgan-Giles
https://www.morgangilesarchive.org.uk/index.php/people-2/f-c-morgan-giles
Could I ask for your help to find any descendants of
ERNEST PHILIP FRYER.
I have a WW1 memorial plaque I would like to see returned to his family.
Details I have found so far –
1911 Ernest was living at 103 Blenheim Crescent with his mother Ellen Huskinson (father Daniel Fryer died in 1880) and brother Charles. He is listed as a Builder’s clerk. Age 31
In Dec 1916 he married Gertrude Nailer. Also Dec 1916 brother Charles married Amelia Moore, perhaps a double wartime wedding?
After the marriage it seems Gertrude continued to live with her family at 124 Finborough Road.
Ernest was a Gunner in Royal Garrison Artillery. He went to France in April 1917 with 303 Siege Battery R.G.A. and was killed in action 6th April 1918. He is buried in Hedauville Community Cemetery, France.
I have not found any children of his marriage, but wonder if there are descendants of his brother Charles?
The plaque came into my possession handed down via distant in-laws from Birmingham area, but I can find no connection with my family at all, and would like this memorial to Ernest Fryer to find its proper home.
Sincerely,
Robert Couling
Please send your email address to history@allsaints-fulham.org.uk and I will put you in touch with a family named Fryer to see if any connections.thanks
Hello Robert
There are several families on Ancestry you can contact through their messaging system
Ancestry Support might be able to help
0800 404 9723
Interested in pictures of old Fulham, then checkout Face book at Backtrack Fulham
Hi I am still trying to find the house where my parents lodged in 1950, the only info I have is that the house was on St Marks Road and the landlady was a Mrs Baxter.
Kind regards
J. McCullough
St Marks road is in Kensington and Chelsea. Suggest check votes lists at Kensington library.
or look in the Fulham folder on Hammersmith Palis old skool FB as there are hundreds of Fulham, Hammersmith, Shepherds bush and other areas
Does anyone have any information on the history of the building at 73-75 Scrubs Lane? (Currently owned by HHB Communications.) It is a Victorian Factory building – does anyone know what it has been used for over the years?
Thanks!
Hello Esme
This might help
Cumberland Park Factory Conservation Area Appraisal Report
March 2017
https://www.london.gov.uk/sN/sNwsites/default/files/opdc_-_cumberland_park_factory_conservation_area_appraisal_report.pdf
The Cumberland Park Factory Conservation
Area is located on the eastern side of Scrubs
Lane, adjacent to St. Mary’s Cemetery and
is within the east of the OPDC area. The
area includes the properties and associated
open spaces of 69 to 91 Scrubs Lane
Contact these people for more information
Newspapers only not bringing up anything relevant or interesting
Good Morning
Sheppards of Fordingbridge and possibly Shepperds Bush
I am doing some family research and would appreciate any information you may have on the Sheppard/ Shepherd family in the 1700’s
The story goes that they may have owned large parcels of land in and around Shepherds Bush. Fact or fiction it is also said that one of the Shepherds died intestate and the property reverted to the crown
I believe my direct relatives in and around Fordingbridge and Shepherds Bush were
Caroline Sheppard (b) 1796 married George BANKS 1824 travelled to Australia as a Sea Captain
Elizabeth Sheppard (b) 1798 married Richard BANKS 1823 travelled to New Zealand as a Sea Captain
I believe their father was
Joseph Shepherd (b) December 1773 married to Elizabeth MILE
Their children ..possibly these, a combination of these..not sure
Elizabeth, Caroline, William, George Anne, Charles James, Joseph Sarah, Cornelius
His father may have been Joseph Sheppard married to Sarah HUTTON
If you help in any way, it would be greatly appreciated
Many Thanks
Allan Wall
Cottesloe
Western Australia
Ancestry allwall99
Email awall46@bigpond.net.au
Hi
I have been researching my family & have found that a majority of my family & their descendants were from the Fulham/Hammersmith area on my grandad’s side & was wondering if you guys have a closed facebook group that we can post questions in as I am researching from Australia I know nothing of the area. I also have a handful of building pictures I would love to see if anyone can identify but not sure the best way
Hi, I was born in Fulham & might be able to help. I have been researching for 20 years & quite a lot of my family was Fulham & Hammersmith based. I am on Facebook CA Nicholson-Ross if you would like to contact me. Regards
Hi I also was born in Fulham 1950 and my parents and their families lived in Fulham from 1910 ish. So am happy if I can help contact caroltappin@hotmail.com
Hammersmith Palais old skool has a closed group and a public page, either may be able to help as there are 25000 plus who use it.
Great blog! Do you have any helpful hints for aspiring writers?
I’m hoping to start my own website soon but I’m a little lost on everything.
Would you propose starting with a free platform like WordPress or go
for a paid option? There are so many options out there that I’m completely confused ..
Any tips? Cheers!
WordPress is a great platform for outfits like us; a charity. The ‘free service’ is paid for by adverts appearing in the body of your site. If you are seeking a commercial use then there are other platforms or WordPress paid for service. There are lots of add-ons etc but if you need complete freedom then a paid for service is the answer.
Good luck
Hello FHHS
Today for example my replies are going on and been back in and can still see them – when posting the software either stays looking at my reply or goes to the top and then back to my reply
The replies that disappear the software goes to the top and stays there but can see timer working and finishing – HARWATH have posted this subject 4 times with this problem software goes to top of page and stays there and is not posted – is the question corrupt?
Are other people posting subject replies that disappear
Thanks, keeping research in Word due to this problem
Hi there, I have found a record, for my great Aunt, who was Edith Feathers, I was just curious to know if it was a poor house, or a hospital at the time? I wonder if you could help? thanks
Gender: Female
Age: 3
Birth Date: 9 Nov 1889
Admission Date: 4 Sep 1893
School: Captain Marryats School
Admission Place: Hammersmith and Fulham, London, England
Father: Alfred Feathers
Hello Lissie
Saint Dunstan’s Road School 1886 – 1951
Renamed Captain Marryat School in 1951
School closed in 1977
Hi
I’m trying to find out some information regarding the death of my great uncle in 1933. He was riding his bicycle and was hit and killed by a drunk driver. I’ve been told that it took place in Hammersmith in September 1933, he was 23 years old.
My nan would always talk about it with such sadness. She said it went to court and was in the local papers.
Is there any way I could get a copy of the newspaper article or even details of an inquest (if they done them then, I have no idea)
Hi
You have included the date but it would be good to have his name too. The LBHF archive at Hammersmith Library has the local papers on microfiche. If you cannot get there on a Monday or Tuesday then email the Archivist (archives@lbhf.gov.uk) she will probably ask a volunteer to search for the report and court case. Do include the name please.
Good Luck
An initial free search can be made by checking the British newspaper library website. Use Hammersmith, relatives name and confine to Say 1932-34,
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
my father was born on 28 Feb 1920 in 22 castletown road. trying to trace some family for years with no success. his mother’s name was Louise Victoria Maud polson. she was a book keeper for an electrical devices company. father u.known. my dad’s name was James Wyse polson. any info would be much appreciated
I knew a family by the name of Polson who lived in Bramber rd W14 quiet a few years ago .
Hello Ruth
MIss Polson may not not have been old enough to vote to go on the electoral register.
1920 ELECTORAL REGISTER
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/news/england-and-wales-electoral-registers-1920-go-online
1919 LONDON ELECTORAL REGISTER
Borough: Islington
Ward: Finsubury & Fulham
22 Castletown Road
Selina McAffrey
Andrew Stevens Williams
Bertha Louisa Marguerite Williams
1920 LONDON ELECTORAL REGISTER
Borough: Hammersmith & Fulham
Ward: Fulham East & West
22 Castletown Road
Selina McAffrey
Alexander TAS Williams, son
Andrew Stevens Williams
Bertha Louisa Marguerite Williams
1921 LONDON ELECTORAL REGISTER
Borough: Hammersmith & Fulham
Ward: Fulham East & West
22 Castletown Road
Selina McAffrey
Andrew Stevens Williams
Bertha Louisa Marguerite Williams
Andrew is a shipping clerk and Bertha is a Russian, they married in 1897 in St Petersburg,
The 1921 census comes out in 2022 so Miss Polson may still be living at 22 Castletown Road and be listed on the census.
Other than putting this information onto another more general forum (this forum focusing on the Fulham & Hammersmith area) may be able to help further. Please let me know!
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=pm
I am trying to find out some information about Everington Street School. Does anyone know what status the school had & what ages could attend, between about 1915 & 1930? I am trying to find out if my Grandmother would have attended; she was born in 1912. Many thanks for any info.
I lived in Lancaster Court from sometime in the 1950s but can’t recall exactly when. Does anyone know when the building of Lancaster Court was completed and families started moving in?
Lancaster Court was first started in 1948 and extended in 1969. Had a quick look but couldn’t see your family name in the electoral registers. Try a visit to LBHF archives at Hammersmith Library. Good luck
Thank you, John. The 1969 extension would possibly have been when Swan Court and Ravensworth Cour became part of the Lancaster Court Estate . The large block that stands to the left as you enter from the Darlan Road entrance was also a later addition I think, from poor memory was added in the late 50s/early ’60s. My Dad lived there when he and my Mum divorced and Mum moved into Swan Court. As a family we lived at number 12, Lancaster Court from about 1955/6 until about 1979/80 so imagine we should have appeared on the Electoral Roll for that period. If I get a chance I’ll try the LBHF archives to try to get a better idea of when we moved in.
Thanks again.
My parents lodged with a Mrs Baxter St Marks Road in 1950 I would dearly love to see the house( outside of course) before I leave London how can I find the actual address?
I did find the Servite church where they married an absolutely beautiful church on the Fulham road
If it is near the Servite Church I think you must be talking of St Marks Grove or gardens which are just beyond the Chelsea Pensioner Pub and in Kensington and Chelsea. A visit to LBKC archives would allow you to search their electoral registers for the period and identify the address. Of course none of this will be online yet. Good luck.
John thank you so much for your reply, very much appreciated, it was definitely St Marks Road.
I shall see if I am able to check the registry as you suggest
Kind regards
I am trying to find information on a George Johnson who was living in Sinclair Road, Hammersmith in 1973. He was born in 1923 so may be deceased now and, as he is my father, I would like to know when and where he died. Any information would be appreciated. Regards
Marilyn McLellan
Looking in Free BMD on the web under deaths does not show any deaths of that name and age in LBHF or in Wandsworth or Kensington/Kensington & Chelsea up to the end of 1983. Ancestry or Find my Past may help. If still alive 192.com maybe of use but you have to pay. If you can get to LBHF Archives on a Monday or Tuesday then you could search the electoral registers from 1973 onwards to see when or if he moved. Of course remember that he might not have registered to vote. It is always possible that someone in the street may remember the family especially if they stayed a while, so knocking on doors or a flyer might work. Good luck.
Hi, I am enquiring about the buildings that existed at #2 Salem Place Hammersmith, London in 1874. This is the year my Great Grandfather left for South Australia with his family. His name was Mr. Henry Charles Coates Hicks. Would any of your Members know of the whereabouts of any old photos of this area at the time, or if they actually exist. The area was totally changed when the flyover was built. Any information would be most appreciated.
LBHF Archives have a photo of a John Bloxham sketch dated 1938. There would be a charge for a copy. Do get in touch archives@lbhf.gov.uk .
Thank You John, this is much appreciated, I will endeavour to follow this up. Cheers Ray Hicks.
Hi update to my first request (novice mistakes made)
I am looking for information on the Martin family that was living at 18/20 Aspenlea Road Fulham. Alfred Martin was the head of the household until his death in 1896 not 1886! he was a tailor but have no info as to where he traded. Children were Catherine, Lucy, Lillian and Alfred.. Has anyone any info, one daughter on the 1911 census appears to be a teacher, but I do not know where it just looks like it says L cc.
Hi
I am looking for information on the Martin family that was living at 18/20 Aspenlea Road Fulham. Alfred Martin was the head of the household until his death in 1886 he was a tailor but have no info as to where he traded. Children were Catherine, Lucy, Lillian and Alfred.. Has anyone any info, one daughter on the 1911 census appears to be a teacher, but I do not know where it just looks like it says L cc.
Probably London County Council. Meaning what we would call a State school, not a private one.
Thanks Helen,
I had a thought it may mean that, I need to find where she was a teacher and hopefully may get some pictures as I have none of any of these people!
I Think maybe they were educated at a school in St Dunstans Road as I have found admissions lists with parents as listed at 18 or 20 Aspenlea Road which would point to them.
Hello I am researching 66 Fulham Road, Kensington. My Father was born there in 1929 – at that time his grandfather Henry LYDIATT was running a very successful Grocers shop from that address.
I would love to find photos (or newspaper items) from the period 1915 – 1935 so that I can see what it looked like in their day.
Thanks xxx
66 Fulham Road would definitely be in Kensington and Chelsea, it appears to have been absorbed into either an interiors shop or an estate agent. See Street View. You should be able to find photographs and newspaper archives at LBKC Archive 12 Phillimore Walk, London, W8 7RX, Tel: 020 7361 3010 check their website. If you are not local it would be worth contacting them in the first place.
Good luck
Hello,
My name is Oliver and I am looking to speak to local historians about a documentary I am making on HMP Wormwood Scrubs. They do not have to be an expert on the prison so much as the area. Please get in touch if you can help,
Kind regards,
Ollie
0203 580 3723 | 07960 931 025
Hi Oliver
If you email me I can probably help.
Peter
Hi Peter,
Thanks for your reply and offer of help. What is the best email address to reach you on?
Kind regards,
Oliver
I was expecting you to reply.vernon thanks
Hi Peter,
Thanks for your response. What is your email address or the best way to get in touch with you?
Kind regards,
Ollie
It might be worth asking this question on the “Notting Hill and North Kensington” Facebook group.
I am researching forgotten variety star Norah Blaney (real name Cordwell). She was born in 1893 and lived at 226 Hammersmith Grove (1901 census) and 65 Lonsdale Road (1911). She was at school with Winifred (Biddy) Johnson who lived at 28, Eyot Gardens (1901) and 31 St Peter’s Square (1911). I am trying to find a likely school they would have attended. Norah was baptised at St Thomas of Canterbury and may have gone to the school next door but they don’t seem to have records going back that far.I have tried Hammersmith Archives but they weren’t all that helpful on the phone. I wonder if anyone has any ideas.
Don’t be put off by your experience with Hammersmith archives. The archivist is only there 2 days per week,and volunteer staff often staff the enquiry points who are still learning.
The. British newspaper library on line has a very large number of articles in newspapers including the Stage. You could try the British Music hall society web site for contacts as well
Researching family history from Melbourne, Australia.
From “School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 (obtained from Ancestry.com), my great uncle Frederick John Harvey (born 31/12/1899 in St Giles, London) was admitted to Ackmar Road School in Hammersmith and Fulham on 10/10/1904. The residential address for the Harvey family is stated as 38 Apple Road. According to Google maps, this street does not exist. Assuming it no longer exists or is now known by another name, can you advise of its present location.
Thanks in anticipation, Kerry.
Looks like a transcription error, Kerry. Should be Epple Road.
Ackmar Road School was in Parsons Green, Fulham. It was the school of choice for the Board of Guardians Receiving Home just around corner. It was later a school for deaf but not sure of dates. I have a photo of a stone carving rescued from the demolition dating to when the school was expanded. Would be happy to send. Also the old school, now a private home.
If your relative was R.C. Then from the Receiving Home boys went to St Mary’s or St. Vincent’s in the Hendon Middlesex area. You might find your relative in the Census of 1911 for those orphanages. Not always orphans, just poor.
An alternative for boys was the Training Ship Exeter moored out in Grays, Essex. It equipped boys for a life in the merchant navy.
Effie Road perhaps?
Hope this helps.
Susan Jeffrey
I went to school in Ackmar Rd in 1964 and it was called St Marks annex, with the main school being situated in Bishops Ave near Putney bridge, both have gone now.
Hello.
When my father died I found, with his WW2 medals, a silver like medalion connected with the borough. On one side, around the edge is the script…
“BOROUGH OF HAMMERSMITH – ALDERMAN H. FOREMAN OBE. MP. JP.
MAYOR 1913 – 1919”
This script surrounds what I assume is the old Borough of Hammersmith coat of arms which carries the motto “PECTEMUR AGENDO”
On the obverse is a depiction of, what I take to be, a soldier and a sailor shaking hands either side of Britania. Underneath is the inscription…
“VICTORY AND PEACE”
Also, very small, is the makers information..
REGD. ??666825 MAPPIN AND WEBB LONDON
Unfortunately the medalion has been damaged by drilling a hole at the top for a chain or ribbon.
I have found out a small amount about Alderman Foreman and understand that he was a prominent figure in the Borough.
I hope this is of interest
Peter Monk
Canvey Island.
I think that the motto was Spectemur Agendo. Some councillors apparently joked that it meant Spit on the Agenda.
Photo of him using this link presenting medal. https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/alderman-henry-forman-mp
Well found. Fascinating stuff.
Dear All,
Finding Josefa
Good day
Can anyone please point me in the right direction?
In 1990 -1991, In Fulham, London, lived an old woman Josefa. At that time, she must have been 86. She lived alone in a house on Munster Road, I lived down the road. She was suffering from Alzheimer’s and I used to check on her daily for a year, as in the winter she constantly turned off the heating.
It was only between the social worker (2 x week) and myself (sometimes 3 x day) that anyone would check on her. Obviously at the time, I was not interested in her origins as she wouldn’t be able to answer me coherently. I would say to her, Josefa, I am too busy to come all the time, so please do not turn off the electricity, as I had paid for it and that it was colder inside the house than the freezing temperatures outside.
She would respond that she is used to it because in her country, Latvia, it was colder. And I would be frustrated … but this is not Latvia, I would say.
She would just smile.
I would have to cycle back from Fulham Broadway, a job an advertising agency, during lunchtimes to check that the heating was on, as it was so cold. I could not leave London for weekends, as I would be delivering sandwiches and food to her. I think too that Meals on Wheels also delivered sometimes. Or some other organization but it was not regular, or I would recall someone else being present.
Long story short. I returned from holiday with my girlfriend and when I went to her house, she was gone. She had been taken to a nursing home in Surrey and after much investigation I found out where she was. Alison drove me there to visit her. They had cut her hair short and she just had a bath and was sitting on her bed.
She recognized me immediately. Josefa’s hair was mattered and she hadn’t had a bath in all the time that I knew her, as the social workers don’t do that. Of course, Josefa sometimes didn’t use the toilet, maybe she didn’t remember. I called the nursing home a month later, to check on Josefa. They told me that she had died and that they had no record of the next of kin. Days later her house was sold and was being renovated.
If you walked down Munster Road with Fulham Palace Road to your back, her house would be on the right hand side. Maybe someone would know.
This is all the information that I have.
Three weeks ago an old friend from Malibu, California, said that he would come to see me in Helsinki and said that he wanted to go to Latvia, as his grandmother had come from there. We immediately booked the flights to Riga and arrived there last Monday. Riga was amazing, we were only there for two days. I said to Barrie, that we should not go to the holocaust museum.
I am in-between a Law degree in Finland and UN job in Geneva, so I have bought flights to Riga where I shall spend a month. I would like to trace Josefa. I don’t even know her family name. She would tell me that she has an Irish tenant and that he overflowed the water from his bath and that there was water stains on the wallpaper. The stains were there, but that tenant lived there fifteen years ago. From that I gathered that she had no living relatives. I did recall some municipality bills and I am sure that I will be able to recognize a name,
if I would see some records. I am sure that Josefa has records. They must exist in London somewhere. I hazard a guess that Josefa was Jewish. I am sure that she came from Latvia as she always spoke of her.
Anyone with leads, please contact me.
With very best regards
Franck Naidoo
Is this a first name or surname. The family tree databases list a number of residents with this forename living and dying in Fulham or Hammersmith around 1990s
My 95 year old father, Kenneth Arthur Spindler was a pupil at West Kensington Central School for boys from 1933 until 1939. He is very interested in any material you may hold relating to the school and its pupils during this period or any information any members or readers can provide. With many thanks for your help,
Sussan
Hello. I found a photo of the school from that period which might bring back some memories for your father, although if the boys and girls were in separate buildings I would guess this might be the girls’ school, given the emphasis on domestic science. Here is a link to the picture on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/clivehurst/41755644691/in/dateposted-public/
Clive Hurst
Parish Priest at Our Lady of Perpetual Help on Stephendale Rd / Tynemouth Street showed me a small building only visible from the back garden of the church and attached House. Which is due for demolition. He has been told it is one of the oldest buildings in fulham. It’s tiny. I’ve taken pictures. Can you please advise ASAP as t might be the council aren’t aware as it’s not visible from the street. It would be a shame to lose it if it does have historical significance. I’ve taken pictures this morning.
Check out an aerial view of the building Google search” Google maps aerial street view SW6”
I have separately passed your comment on the Fulham Society who act as a planning watchdog and campaign against inappropriate or poor decisions and development.
I trust that they will be in touch shortly.
Hello im after some information about the Fulham Market which was erected in 1923 with 127 shops all under one roof .
publication of Feb 1970 states the following. This information would have been extracted from the Fulham Council Minutes, which should contain more detailed information FCM 1922-23 p 108, 1936-7,p.327,416,477. development of the site may well be in other council minutes.Local newspapers also at the library or available online from British Library may have adverts.
Fulham Market hall was a covered market constructed on vacant land adjoining Fulham town Hall. The area was laid out with intersecting gangways.It had a double entry on Fulham and Harwood Road, a number of stalls having frontage on Harwood Road. ( I have a vague recollection of going in the old access entrances myself). The Council decided in 1937 to acquire the land from the Fulham Market Hall company, following a letter from the Ministry of Transport concerning the provision of car parks. Strong local objections followed, the market continued with the land owned by the council now. Part of the area was used for an air-raid shelter, and after the war licences wee again renewed until it finally closed in 1951. The market was never really successful.
There is actually a postcard for sale on eBay at the moment of the market hall frontage for the next few days(9th+).
Many Thanks for your Information
Regards Len .
Hi – I am interested in the wharf/basin of water just to the east of Putney Bridge at the bottom of Fulham High Street – do you know the history of this? I can see on an old map a place just to the west of the water called Fulham Vestry Wharf, so could have been a small harbour/wharf for a local factory perhaps but any ideas would be appreciated.
This is Swan Wharf, Steve. There was once a pub there called the Swan Inn which burnt down in 1871 and a malt house where they brewed their beer stood behind it. There was also a Swan Brewery in the Walham Green area of Fulham but I’m not sure if there was any connection between the two. In 1900 Swan Maltings belonged to the Royal Brewery, Chelsea. Swan Wharf was taken over by the Fulham Vestry along with the Toll House when the present Putney Bridge was erected in the 1880s. They used it for emptying local rubbish into barges for disposal at Rainham, Essex. The coal wharf for Cramer Roberts and Co. was also situated here and nearby were Willowbank and Carrara wharves. The Swan draw dock (narrow riverbank inlet) has a footbridge crosing it.
The end of Fulham High Street was the old wooden Fulham Bridge which was replaced about 1880. Hence this is why this back street is still named Fulham High Street. Incidentally I believe that Fulham Bridge was only the second bridge to be built across the Thames after London Bridge.
Please see our publications list, there is a book about Fulham(Putney) Bridge.
https://fhhs.wordpress.com/fhhs-publications/
Hi, I have some old photographs and have been trying to find out about the photographers who took them. One is by the Hammersmith Photographic Co.. My internet searching hasn’t been much help so could you tell me where I can find out about this company. I am in Australia so the internet is my gateway to the world. Thank you
The Hammersmith Photographic Company 31 King St West Hammersmith. Got this from entry on web. Note no postcode or district so possible pre their allocation.
Check with Archives department
31 King St West Hammersmith shows on this Insurance map from 1900 (stamped 1901 British Museum). That address (from #27 – #33) is shown as “Chas. Baker & Co. Outfitters”, which I assume occupied the ground floor. The Photographic company would have offices on the upper floor(s). See the map herehttp://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/firemaps/england/london/atoc/zoomify151701.html
Hello,
My name is Sophie and I am looking for any information you may have on a lady named Vera McKay. She was a singer during the 1960’s and I believe, had lived in Fulham for a time.
Any information you have would be much appreciated.
Thank you
Dear FHHS
I am a history teacher at The Godolphin and Latymer School and we are planning for June 2018 an exhibition about the school and the Great War. We have consulted the school archive which is kept at the Hammersmith archives and found reference to the aircraft factory (i.e. Waring and Gillow) in Cambridge Grove having suffered bomb damage in the First World War and that this was ‘friendly fire’. Can’t find any reference to this in published texts – were there anti-aircraft guns in the area?
(I have just completed paperwork to join FHHS and it may be that you can be of great help to us in researching for our exhibition so I look forward to more contact!)
Hello Amanda, I am an ex-pupil of Godolphin and Latymer and saw your query about anti-aircraft guns. There is reference to the anti-aircraft guns around Hammersmith Grove in a Facebook posting under the ‘Hammersmith Palais – Old Skool’ group. If you search for anti-aircraft guns it will bring up a post from the administrator dated 3rd August 2015 in which he tells the story of Geoff Cronin’s memories of WW2 and reference to the guns going off all night, amongst other interesting items. Hope this helps. All the best for the exhibition !
Thanks so much for this! The exhibition is 28 June 2018 (4pm) so do come along if you are interested!
Or perhaps a doctor’s house?
Hello there, I have discovered from the death certificate that my father’s sister died aged 5 months at 23 Broomhouse Road. This was not the family address, so I am wondering if it was a children’s hospital? Or maybe it was the house of a relative or friend and the baby died there. Can you help? Many thanks, Vicky Olliver.
Vicky,
The 1939 Wartime Census shows that 23, Broomhouse Road was the Fulham Babies Hospital. It appears to be still standing but is at 24, Broomhouse Road now, probably as a result of the flying bomb that hit it in 1945 and put it out of action for a while. There were no casualties.
Hello Mark, thank you so much for this information! That’s really helpful. With best wishes, Vicky Olliver.
Good Morning,
I am a trustee of a small car museum, The Frazer Nash Archives Trust, and I am interested in details of Michael Tenbosch who purchased a Frazer Nash sports car in 1949.
The car was actually invoiced to JC Brodie Ltd of New Kings Road, Fulham. Google has given me just one clue:
according to The Commercial Motor on 11th May 1940, JC Brodie and Co Ltd of 79-91 New Kings Road SW6 was a garage somehow connected with The Gas Light and Coke Co. and was also one of a “List of concerns qualified to fit low-pressure gas bags and carburettors to commercial vehicles”.
This may be the whole story, but if anybody knows any more about Tenbosch or JC Brodie I would be interested to hear it.
Thank you, James Trigwell
Hello,
How would I go about finding which school my Father went to in Fulham in the early 1930s? I believe it was possibly a Catholic School.
Thank you,
M
Do you have a name and address to work from, it may then be possible to suggest the likely school. There are unlikely to be attendence lists available. St Thomas’s, Estcourt Rd, Fulham, London SW6 7HB would be a good starting point though. Good luck.
Hi,
St Edmunds RC secondary school
St Dunstans Rd (off Fulham Palace Rd)
Note: This is now called The William Morris academy.
Good luck with your search
I should be grateful if you would let me know where I might find information about the wharves which operated on the north bank of the Thames between Hammersmith and Putney bridges. I often walk in this area but have been unable to find anything on the internet which tells me about these wharves and when they ceased to be worked.
Alistair Watson
I know that Duckhams oils had a wharf there because my brother Gordon worked there. There was Stevenage Wharf who dealt with timber.
Newcastle Coal and Shipping,Manbre and Garton sugar refiners a rubbish wharf and Queens Wharf by the drawdock just downstream from Hammersmith Bridge.
Hope this puts a few pieces in the puzzle for you.
Hope this helps.
Hammersmith[ ]
Albert Wharf[2]
Atlanta Wharf[2]
Beckett’s Wharf[2]
Hope Wharf[2]
(Hammersmith Bridge)
Queen’s Wharf[2]
Gwynne’s Wharf[2]
Chancellor’s Wharf[2]
Fulham and Sands End
Palace Wharf (left), Crabtree Wharf and Crabtree Drawdock, 2010
Swedish Wharf, Comley’s Wharf and Fulham Wharf, Fulham, 2006
Distillery Wharf[2] (site of Haig distillery)
site of Manbre’s sugar works (later Manbre & Garton)
Duckham’s Wharf[2] (formerly Duckham’s Motor Oil works)
Thames Wharf[2]
Dorset Wharf[2] (formerly Anglo-American Oil Company)
Tea Rose Jetty and Wharf[2]
Palace Wharf[2]
Crabree Wharf[2]
Crabtree Draw Dock[2]
Wheatsheaf Wharf
Rosebank Wharf[2]
Redline Wharf[2]
Blakes Wharves[2]
National Benzole Wharf[2]
Eternit Wharf[3]
Stevenage Wharf[2]
(Putney Bridge)
Swan Wharf[2]
Carrara Wharf[2]
Willowbank Wharf[2]
(Fulham Railway Bridge)
Broomhouse Draw Dock
Petrofina Wharf
Whiffin Wharf
Hurlingham Wharf[3] †
Trinidad Wharf[3] (former asphalt wharf)
(Wandsworth Bridge)
Thank you. Greatly appreciated. AW
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Also Durham Wharf, Chiswick Mall which is just inside the Borough boundary. A former coal wharf.
I was born and grew up in Fulham & Chiswick. I now live in the Midlands and work at ‘Compton Verney’, an Art Gallery in Warwickshire. On display there is a wonderful painting from the 1850s of The Eagle Pub on (215) Askew Road, which caught my eye. The pub still exist, now a gastro pub. I wonder if anyone has anymore information about the pub, the area, the Landlord (a James Bott), photographs, newspaper articles from this period, or could direct me to someone or somewhere that could assist. I’m happy to send you a copy of the painting. Thank you in anticipation.
One of our members or the followers of this page may have more info, perhaps a regular! We do have a book on the pubs but it may not have the detail you require. (I don’t have it to hand). The local archives at Hammersmith Library (archives@lbhf.gov.uk) will have some records of licensing and may well have the details you seek. Many pubs and notable characters are recorded in the card indexes. Do you know the artist?
https://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/Hammersmith/Eagle.shtml
Try this link
James Bott landlord takesAdverts in the West London observer a number of times in 1863 to inform his friends that he has taken over the lady of the lake Starch green, also known as the Eagle Tavern . the advert lists facilities and rooms that our available.see local newspaper or online search of British newspaper library
A further reference to The Eagle Tavern and the earlier Lady of the Lake pub:
The Wormholt Park Bowling Club celebrated its centenary in 1964. Prior to transferring to Wormholt Park the club had played in Ravenscourt Park since 1922 and before that behind The Eagle Tavern that stood on the Askew Road.
At the time it was thought to be the oldest bowling club in London, but an article discovered in a publication named ‘Mine Host’ claimed that the club had played on that spot since 1678, and if true would have made it the oldest club in England.
Any history regarding the house on 13 Askew Rd. My mother use to live there years ago and has demenyis trying to keep her memories alive. I can’t wait to hear anything.
Library will have voting lists for previous residents and neighbours.check out planning applications on councils website. Visit library for possible street photographs etc .
Askew Road library have a weekly coffee morning for local elderly residents. Some of the people who attend might have known your mother when she lived in Askew Road or they may be able to share memories of the area.
Hello Team,
I am trying to find out a little on streets names that may have changed. My Grandfather Joseph Owers who was an Oyster Merchant and had a shop on Praed Street in the late 1920’s to early 30’s use to live at 4 Fulham Place and 2 London Street Paddington. He died on the 17th March 1936. I have tried to see if there are any photos of his shop but have yet to come across any. I never met him as he was around 70 when he died and I was not born until the early 60’s. Any information on the streets would be lovely.
Thank you for your time and help with this.
Karen Bobbin
Hello Karen
I remember a Fulham Place which was a road leading down to the canal off of the Harrow Road . London Street is still there .
best wishes Len .
Check out this website https://www.maps.thehunthouse.com/Streets/Street_Name_Changes.htm
It’s very informative on name changes of streets etc.
Thank you so much for your response. Much appreciated. Karen
The British newspaper library has just loaded up the newspaper Ally Slopers half holiday, and it has an account of a robbery that took happened at 5 Fulham place Paddington in 1892
Hello again… it seems to be. I am trying to find photographs of the old May Street Mission Hall (Iron Church) and the John St Mission Hall. (Off Field Rd) Can anyone help please?
Hi, I’m trying to make contact… but cannot find the form. Is this it?
Hi,
Does anyone know the story behind “Nobby Swanker” who was a small horse or pony which was used to collect donations for wounded soldiers and sailors in the Fulham area during WW1. I have found a postcard published by Bijou Studios of 354 North End Road showing the animal. Any information would be welcome.
Leonard Bentley.
I am trying to find any information or photos of a ‘School of Physical Culture’ owned by Ferdinand Gruhn in Cambridge Road (now Grove, I believe) in years up to 1911. TIA
Hi Jeff,
I lived in Cambridge Grove mid 50’s
The Lime Grove Baths used to hold wrestling bouts and very popular. Sadly, pulled down.
Hi, I’m interested in Napoleonic period Volunteer Units set up by local areas around Britain in response to the threat of invasion. I recently acquired a Fulham Volunteer button which would have been a small unit and wondered if anyone had any more info on the Fulham unit probably around from 1799-1805.
Does anyone know who currently owns and/or inhabits Sandford Manor House? Also, is there a way to look inside briefly? I am fascinated to see how it has evolved through its many years. Thank you very much for the help, Sondra Thiederman
Hello Sondra
Apparently it is offices now so you could get access Good Luck .
Thanks, Len. Good suggestion, I’ll give it a try.
This is taken from the council planning applications.
“The request to vary the s.106 agreement relates to a Grade II* listed house dating from the late seventeenth century which was extensively refurbished in the 1980s. It was then intended to be used as an office as part of a scheme involving redevelopment of a large area of land south of King’s Road.
1.2 In the early 1980s the applicant acquired the premise. It is understood that at the time it was in a state of decay. The deterioration to its fabric, the collapse of the entire roof, the internal floors and the partitions left the interior fully exposed and the structural condition of the building was at risk. In October 1988 a grant was provided by English Heritage (‘London Grant’) of £27,144. At the time, English Heritage had a policy of requiring public access for buildings which had received grants, but English Heritage did not request this in this case. The public access to the premise was secured by London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham in 1986, at this time the proposed use of the property for office use. Subsequently, planning application ref: 1996/01009/FUL was approved for the use of the premise as dual office and residential. At this time it was agreed to reduce the public access to one visit a year.
2.0 CONSULTATION
2.1 Individual notification letters sent to neighbouring properties, and relevant internal and external departments have been consulted. One neighbour objection has been received, one petition containing 11 names has been received objecting to the proposal, and one objection has been received from the Fulham Society. In summary objection is raised for the following reason:
– Public access should be retained to a historic and locally interesting building, in particular given that English Heritage gave money towards it’s repair.
2.2 English Heritage: do not consider it necessary to be consulted on this application.
2.3 Urban Design and Conservation: Suggests that public access could be limited to the gardens.
3.0 PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS
3.1 Internally there is little original fabric left to justify the retention of the requirement in the s.106 agreement for the owner to provide access once a year to visitors to the interior of the property. There is a delicate balance to be struck between the desirability of public access and the privacy and security of the applicant. It is noted that the property can not been seen from the street and therefore, the Urban Design and Conservation officer suggested that public access could be limited to the gardens to allow external views of the property. However, given that the clause in question was applied to the property when it was not in residential use, and that the property has subsequently been in residential use for many years. On balance officer’s consider it unreasonable not to allow the applicant the same right of privacy that other residential owners of listed building enjoy. As such the application is to be approved.
4.0 RECOMMENDATION
4.1 Approve
Thank you so much for sending me this information. It is precisely what I needed. Although disappointing that the inside of the house is essentially gutted, at least we can be grateful it wasn’t torn down as would have been the case in my part of the world (San Diego, California). Thanks again and have a great new year.
Thankyou for your reply. I attach a further reference for our members who may be further interested.
Sandford Manor
Pages 11-16
Survey of London Monograph 8, Sandford Manor, Fulham. Originally published by Guild & School of Handicraft, London, 1907.
This free content was digitised by double rekeying and sponsored by English Heritage. All rights reserved.
Citation:
W Arthur Webb, ‘Sandford Manor’, in Survey of London Monograph 8, Sandford Manor, Fulham (London, 1907), pp. 11-16. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-london/bk8/pp11-16 [accessed 2 January 2018].
Just search google for survey of London Sandford manor
Attempt armed robbery at Hammersmithpalais in the late sixties,,the gang got to see inside wormwood scrubs for short time, some members of gang to young to be named.M.
I run a group 6000 plus, and a page 17500 plus on FB called hammersmith Palais old skool, I have lot of old staff and management who are members, this is the first I have ever heard of an attempted armed robbery, do you have further details, thanks
Hi, while looking at the 1951 and 1861 census I have note a place called rectory place, fulham but can’t find it on the internet. Would you beable to let me know any information about this location my family lived in.
This probably refers to Rectory Place in Parson’s Green or Parsonage Green as it was originally known. The rectory itself was demolished in the 1800s and replaced by two brick built houses and then St Dionis Church. Rectory Place became St Dionis Road, I think, which is the first turning on the left of Parson’s Green as you walk down from the New King’s Road end.
In my research I have found a family member, Charles Thurmer, listed in the 1861 Census, gardener, aged 69, lodging at 21 Rectory Place, Fulham. The head of house is a George WELLS; and in the 1881 Census Charles is lodging at the same address, with a Margaret MAIN (Head), aged 46, and Bridget MAIN, aged 12. Perhaps it was a boarding house? I will check further Census records as I can, and let you know if I find anything useful.
Hello Victoria
It could be related to All Saints Church maybe !
There was only Fulham C of E Church before the development of the market gardens into housing estates and the building of new churches on the estates, so yes it is connected to All Saints. I have a 1924 A-Z that still has St Dionis Road given as Rectory Road. Feret gives a short account of the area, including the fact that the Parsonage lands when farmed were done so by the Carthusian Monks of Shene
If you look at the enumerators notes on the first pages of the census book you can see the route followed. So although Rectory Place may not now exist surrounding roads will help pinpoint the location.
Victoria, there is a good photo of Rectory Road, and a short description of Parsons Green on the Sullivan Thomas website. The photo looks down towards parsons Green. The Mission Hall is on the left-hand side and St Dionis Church on the right. The reason the Mission Hall looks like a church is because it was built for the people to worship in before St D’s existed.
Hi. I attended Sunday School at the Mission Hall during the 1970s as a youngster, was a pupil at Holman Hunt School. I sang in choir at St. Dionis. Underneath the Mission Hall was used for a youth club. I remember visiting the vicarage with my Grandmother, the Vicar then name was Ashton.
Regards.
I am interested in any information regarding the Palace Theatre, Hammersmith, located in Kings Road. My mother (now aged 90) had her first paid job as an actress there in 1942. She held a job as an Assistant Stage Manager (ASM) for a repertory company at the tender age of 15. She has just mentioned this to me and explained that every time she’s tried to look it up online she ends up finding other Palace Theatres in other places. In the last few years she has all but lost her sight and I’d like to get her anything of interest. This site came up on my first web search and it seems like the best place to start…
Hi,
The Hammersmith Palace at 82 Kings Road is one of several local theatres listed on the Arthur Lloyd website.
http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/Hammersmith.htm
Was Kings Road what is now Kings Street?
Just read your link and see that it was indeed King Street. What an amazing building!
Yes, I’ve seen the Arthur Lloyd page and it was very interesting. I also found a detailed map from 1901 that has far more information than you usually see. Have a look at this;
http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/firemaps/england/london/atoc/mapsu145ubu23uauf025r.html
I would like to learn more about the original architecture of the Hunts Paper Factory in Atalanta Street, and the history of the building. I would like to find historical photographs of the site and of the people who worked there.
Does anyone know where the Fulham Warship Week Pageant was held in Aoril 1942 or was it a procession?
The people of Fulham in Fulham warship week raised £935,000 on a £700,000 target for HMS relentless. A mockup of part of relentless was constructed at Fulham Broadway/Waltham green to act as a focal point for bands and the events. The British newspaper library have the Fulham local papers on line,And has numerous articles on the events including the election of a beauty queen to visit fundraising events organised by other societies through out Fulham.
Thank you for that historyaschurchfulham. Much appreciated.
Dear Sir /Madam
I would like to know details of previous occupants in last 25 years of house no 20, everington street , london W68DU
particularly if they were any deaths of occupants while staying in this house , in last 25 years
please note this is urgent matter
IF this is an urgent matter then you go to the archive at Hammersmith Library or you should write to archives@lbhf.gov.uk and make your request. The only public source of such information is the electoral register. An alternative is 192.com which may use other sources for which you will have to pay.
Good luck
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